hand from 150 fo killarney

ZZR1100

blinds 200/400
stacks hero 13.5 villian more
hero kk in CO raises to 1200
BB calls
flop
5d 7d 8h
villian bets 1700
hero raises 3800
villian goes all in.
Move?
btw this is the wife's (hero) hand and forced me to post it ..

cardshark202

ZZR1100 wrote:

blinds 200/400
stacks hero 13.5 villian more
hero kk in CO raises to 1200
BB calls
flop
5d 7d 8h
villian bets 1700
hero raises 3800
villian goes all in.
Move?
btw this is the wife's (hero) hand and forced me to post it ..

Any reads?

bubbleking

looks like the villain has a set

BigCityBanker

My guessing is the villian has sufficient stack to defend his BB with 9 6 and has flopped a straight or else has 1010/JJ and reckons you didnt hit with your AK / AQ which the villian could easily put you on with a raise 3x the BB. A raise of 3 times the BB is not sufficient with KK imo.

without a read on willian it is hard to know what move to make.

A difficult but laydown but with a good stack it looks like it has to be made.

bops

i'm guessing the villian had pushed on a draw, hoping you had AQ etc and you'll lay down...if not - ne has outs!

i'm further guessing that you wife calls and he hits his flush/straight...poxy fish!!

How wrong can I be!!

...well the bottom line is i'd call here anyways but then again i never get hands like KK so i dont need to worry about it : )

Gholimoli

This is a spot where a read on villain is extremely important.
Does villain lead with made/strong hands or check/raises with them?

Does villain lead with draws?

Is villain tight or loos?

I doubt villain has defended his blind here with 96(maybe it was sooooooted) .
If villain is a good player then he leads there with a set but most player’s cant resist checking there in hope of a check/raise.
The hand looks like a A6/K6 /78/98/56 of diamonds maybe or 99+ .
It’s a difficult decision but with out any read on villain I think you have no choice but folding.

phantom_lord

I think you're up against a set. It's grumble, grumble fold time.

ZZR1100

villian was fairly loose up to this.hit a low straight flush and 4 of a low straight flush earlier.he had 5 7 c for 2P and she called and missed.

BigCityBanker

a loose player with a stack will easily defend their BB for a 3x raise. pump it up a little more preflop imo. ul.

spectre

I think in this situation, you're either already in a world of pain Or facing a huge draw. Against this range, it is a fold.

NickyOD

ZZR1100 wrote:

btw this is the wife's (hero) hand and forced me to post it ..

Knowing hero is a solid player who is pretty tight. I'm certain villain knows she has a big hand here with big pair minimum. So the question is would he take advantage of her tight image and try to get her for fold it. I think its unlikely possible but unlikely.

You're either going to see a set here or 78 and sometimes some sort of huge flush and straight draw. Against that range it has to be a fold.

Hitman Actual

ZZR1100 wrote:

blinds 200/400
stacks hero 13.5 villian more
hero kk in CO raises to 1200
BB calls
flop
5d 7d 8h
villian bets 1700
hero raises 3800
villian goes all in.
Move?
btw this is the wife's (hero) hand and forced me to post it ..

I don't really like the flop raise. It doesn't do anything good for our hand, as now the money is going in where we could be in big trouble. And if it was the fabled "raise for information", the info you got isn't much use either, as you still dont know where you are. You could be facing a semi-bluff all-in against a drawing hand that you're ahead of.

I don't know whether I'd call the AI or not. It's one of those hands where you have to be there, and be really tuned into the game, I think.

connie147

My son is the "villian" in question. Derry is a pretty good player and whereas I havent discussed the particular hand in detail with him, Im pretty sure I know
how a nd why he played it.
He was sitting on a well above average stack and facing a 3xbb raise from Mystic Meg whose game would be well known to him. So he decides to see a flop with suited connectors and hits the flop hard having two pair. He would have hero on AK,AQ or 10/10+.. Now he knows hes in front so he leads out at the pot hoping hero has AA,KK QQ or JJ and looking to be reraised.

When he 3 bets here,hes not on a draw. Its either a set or made strt or the hand he in fact had,2 pair.. I think fold is the right option.(not results orientated).

Daithio

It's a tough enough spot. I'd be ****ting myself about the lead from the villain. It either means your beat or he's attempting a stop and go. I think I'd flat call the flop and see what he does on the turn. If he bets I'd probably fold, if he checks and it's a card that doesn't fill the draw I'd probably push.

Lazare

BigCityBanker wrote:

a loose player with a stack will easily defend their BB for a 3x raise. pump it up a little more preflop imo. ul.

This is good advice, if hero was holding K 9.
Surely you want that loose player defending his BB when you've Kings, especially if you think he'll bet most flops.