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Get it in or slow down tilt boy

  • 13-10-2006 6:23pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭


    So 6 max NLHE 1-2
    Villain is complete idiot as shown by recent hand
    I have been rock tight playing 1 hand in 30 mins where i pushed turn and got no callers
    I raise up to 8 on Button with AKs villain calls in sb
    Pot 19

    flop 976 two hearts i have hearts
    Villain who has pushed 5* the pot many times leads for 10 i reraise to 49 villain thinks and calls
    Pot 119
    turn K i bet 116 our villains stack amount he calls with 94os
    river is what starts to put me on tilt

    about 2 rounds later
    I get TT in mp
    Stacks
    Hero 200 villain covers
    I make it 10 villain and 1 other call

    Flop t95 all diamonds
    I lead for 30 villain calls
    turn Kspades
    Pot 72ish


    Action


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Hand 1 you should just call the flop

    Hand 2 Given he is passive I would bet 60 and push the river (as long as its not a diamond)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    Hand 1 you should just call the flop

    Hand 2 Given he is passive I would bet 60 and push the river (as long as its not a diamond)
    I agree except I think you played the first hand fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Hand 1: just call the flop bet.
    Hand 2: Bet 50 on turn, pray for a non dimond river.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    Does anybody like a turn push ? in hand 2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    no just play it normally

    i dont see why you posted the hand at all its very standard, just bet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭TacT


    I'd consider it depending on the opponent but I'd prefer to push the river on hand two if not a diamond as stated. Definitely flat calling that flop bet in hand one. Did he river two pair or trips?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭Hitman Actual


    RoundTower wrote:
    I agree except I think you played the first hand fine.

    I take it that you're agreeing with the re-raise in hand 1, but I don't see how that could be right against this player. If he's missed the flop and is just making some half-arsed attempt at the pot, he'll just fold. And if he's hit the flop in some way, he's stupid enough to just call (most of the time, anyway). So by re-raising are we not just ensuring he plays correctly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    I take it that you're agreeing with the re-raise in hand 1, but I don't see how that could be right against this player. If he's missed the flop and is just making some half-arsed attempt at the pot, he'll just fold. And if he's hit the flop in some way, he's stupid enough to just call (most of the time, anyway). So by re-raising are we not just ensuring he plays correctly?

    Not really, most of the hands he will call with are one pair/draws, and we are in very good shape against that range. Plus it makes it easier to stack him if we hit the turn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Why try to semi bluff a total idiot? He will call us if we make our hand anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    Why try to semi bluff a total idiot? He will call us if we make our hand anyway
    It's not really a semibluff, we are ahead of stuff like Q9 which he will surely call with. He may call with overcards, or fold a smaller pair. He may not pay us off if we make our hand, if he really only has a small pair or misses a draw. Plus however stupid, eventually he will probably notice if we only raise the flop here with 2 pair+ or whatever you would suggest. All of these things are good results for us. Further there is no reason to suggest villain is a really loose caller, all we know is he has "pushed 5x pot a number of times" which is a bit strange and maybe exaggerated.

    This hand plays too well not to raise the flop here IMO.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    RoundTower wrote:
    It's not really a semibluff, we are ahead of stuff like Q9 which he will surely call with. He may call with overcards, or fold a smaller pair. He may not pay us off if we make our hand, if he really only has a small pair or misses a draw. Plus however stupid, eventually he will probably notice if we only raise the flop here with 2 pair+ or whatever you would suggest. All of these things are good results for us. Further there is no reason to suggest villain is a really loose caller, all we know is he has "pushed 5x pot a number of times" which is a bit strange and maybe exaggerated.

    This hand plays too well not to raise the flop here IMO.

    OP said he was a complete idiot, and so will not realise what we are raising with here. Also that hardly matters for this hand, the only thing that matters is to play this hand as well as we can. If he starts to adjust to us (which I doubt) then we can worry about that later. People who call raises with 94 do not fold once they hit a pair in my experience.

    Our hand is 50 50 with most 1 pair hands, so against someone who will not fold later in the hand (or now) making the pot bigger just hugely increases our varience for a negligible gain. Sometimes he will push all in and we will be forced to call, we have just changed what is a very profitable situation into one that is only marginally so. Against a player like this there just is no need to raise until we make our hand. Against a different opponent raising is obviously usually the better play.

    There is already 40 in the pot by the turn so if we get there we can make a big bet on the turn and or river.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    lots of people will call pf with 94, then bet the flop and call any raises no matter how much because they have top pair. They won't do the same as easily with Q7. This is more or less standard in the Fitz.


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