how do you think these ppl played this hand?

Gholimoli

what you all think of this hand:

Both players in the hand are good players and both are known to be aggressive players.
they have never played a pot before against each other though.

Player one:
Stack:20K or so
This player has been very aggressive on this table.
He has been raising 2 or 3 times an orbit and has shown down AQ,78s,9T,Qjo,etc from even an early position .

Player two:
Stack 14K
Player two is known to be aggressive as well.he has not been that active at the table and has only shown down AQ.
He has taken a pot with an all in bet on the river when a 4th flush card hits on the river recently.

The table is generally strong with a few good players and only one rather weak player at the table.

The hand:
Player one raises from EP to 800 with 8s9s .blinds are 150/300 .
Player two flat calls in the CO with KsQs.
Every one else folds.

Flop(2K)

7d Td Jd
Player one bets 800.
Player two calls.

Turn (3600)
Kh

Player one checks.
Player two bets 1800.
Player one then c/r to 3200.
Its another 1800 to player two and he calls rather quickly .

River(10K)

8d
Player one checks.
Player two thinks and bets 3500 leaving behind 6K.
Player one thinks and thinks and calls.

How do you think both players played the hand?

fuzzbox

I think player 2 played pretty well.
Player 1, however, did not.

spectre

Player 1: flop bet is too small, turn check-raise is horrible

Player 2: I prefer a bigger river bet, say 5K

cardshark202

Player one played it pretty terribly.
Player two played it ok.

Gholimoli

cardshark202 wrote:

Player one played it pretty terribly.
Player two played it ok.

what do you think each of them could do to play it better?

cardshark202

OK:


The hand:
Player one raises from EP to 800 with 8s9s .blinds are 150/300 .
Player two flat calls in the CO with KsQs.
Every one else folds.

Flop(2K)

7d Td Jd
Player one bets 1700.
Player two folds.

Gholimoli

cardshark202 wrote:

OK:


The hand:
Player one raises from EP to 800 with 8s9s .blinds are 150/300 .
Player two flat calls in the CO with KsQs.
Every one else folds.

Flop(2K)

7d Td Jd
Player one bets 1700.
Player two folds.

cant really argue with this.

ianmc38

Player 1 is horrific. Check minraising the turn is genius.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Player 1 is horrific. Check minraising the turn is genius.

How can you say that - .... HE WON !!!!

Gholimoli

how bad do you think players two bet on the river was?
in terms of size?
do you think he should have moved in?made a bigger bet?
or do you think his small bet is more effective?

should player one make the call on the river?

ianmc38

Player 1 is obviously a station and can't recognise what looks like a value bet, so donking it all in is probably better

cardshark202

To be honest I don't think either player coverered themselves in glory here. Player one obviously sucks at poker imo and player two seems to have some idea of whats going on but still is no genius.

Gholimoli

cardshark202 wrote:

To be honest I don't think either player coverered themselves in glory here. Player one obviously sucks at poker imo and player two seems to have some idea of whats going on but still is no genius.

you already said how you would play the hand if you were player one.
how would you play the hand if you player two?

5starpool

I'm guessing player two is gholi, and player one berated him for his play and an argument ensued, and it was decided to post it here to see who was right.

Gholimoli

5starpool wrote:

I'm guessing player two is gholi, and player one berated him for his play and an argument ensued, and it was decided to post it here to see who was right.

no such thing happend.
and no im not player two.

edit to say:
no one dares berates me as im always right

5starpool

Gholimoli wrote:

no one dares berates me as im always right

I think a more pertinent point is that people know there is no talking sense into you so there is little point trying anymore.

cardshark202

Gholimoli wrote:

you already said how you would play the hand if you were player one.
how would you play the hand if you player two?

You mean if player one played like he did? Assuming I called preflop.

OK:

The hand:
Player one raises from EP to 800 with 8s9s .blinds are 150/300 .
Player two flat calls in the CO with KsQs.
Every one else folds.

Flop(2K)

7d Td Jd
Player one bets 800.
Player two calls.

Turn (3600)
Kh

Player one checks.
Player two checks

River(3600)

8d
Player one checks.
Player two checks

Gholimoli

cardshark202 wrote:

You mean if player one played like he did? Assuming I called preflop.

OK:

The hand:
Player one raises from EP to 800 with 8s9s .blinds are 150/300 .
Player two flat calls in the CO with KsQs.
Every one else folds.

Flop(2K)

7d Td Jd
Player one bets 800.
Player two calls.

Turn (3600)
Kh

Player one checks.
Player two checks

River(3600)

8d
Player one checks.
Player two checks

agree.
maybe a bet from player two here on the river but agree with the line in general.

cardshark202

Gholimoli wrote:

agree.
maybe a bet from player two here on the river but agree with the line in general.

Problem with betting the river is that I can't see anything that can call a bet that is behind KQ.

Gholimoli

cardshark202 wrote:

Problem with betting the river is that I can't see anything that can call a bet that is behind KQ.

no your right .
i was thinking a bet as a bluff not a value bet but if the hnd was played with a passive line you suggested as oppose to the aggressive way that it was actually played ,then KQ would have some show down value there so no need to bet it.

cardshark202

Gholimoli wrote:

no your right .
i was thinking a bet as a bluff not a value bet but if the hnd was played with a passive line you suggested as oppose to the aggressive way that it was actually played ,then KQ would have some show down value there so no need to bet it.

Oh dear God, we have agreed on something on here, that is siiiick.

Gholimoli

cardshark202 wrote:

Oh dear God, we have agreed on something on here, that is siiiick.

trust me it was really pain full for me too.
maybe i should think it over again ,im sure i can find something.

Hectorjelly

I hate how they both played

MrPillowTalk

Ehsan I think you are forgetting probably the most important thing in this hand. Player 1 I dont think ever makes this call against anyone else at the table, except maybe me.

The river bet on the four flush board that you made a few hands previously probably made it 50/50 for him to call or not. I think his checkraise was horrid, but I dont hate his call on the end.

You have a lot of strength in your game when it comes to working out where other people are in the hand, however this is somewhat similar to the AQ hand against me last week, you dont adjust for players who will realise that you know that they know etc etc.

I think your play in the hand was excellent, he probably folds to an all in on the end but saying that if he is trapping you just commited hari kari and the 3500 will get trough most of the time so bet size is fine. I dont think player 1 played the turn well at all but his call on the end is ok.

Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Ehsan I think you are forgetting probably the most important thing in this hand. Player 1 I dont think ever makes this call against anyone else at the table, except maybe me.

The river bet on the four flush board that you made a few hands previously probably made it 50/50 for him to call or not. I think his checkraise was horrid, but I dont hate his call on the end.

You have a lot of strength in your game when it comes to working out where other people are in the hand, however this is somewhat similar to the AQ hand against me last week, you dont adjust for players who will realise that you know that they know etc etc.

I think your play in the hand was excellent, he probably folds to an all in on the end but saying that if he is trapping you just commited hari kari and the 3500 will get trough most of the time so bet size is fine. I dont think player 1 played the turn well at all but his call on the end is ok.

yeah i was thinking an all in there and the only reason why i didnt was i thought that bet looked stronger than an all in.
i also lost count of the pot slighty and i thought i was betting half the pot with my 3500 pot to make it look like a real scary value bet which i had intended.
his check raise there was really bad and it was the only reason i continued in the hand.
i pretty much knew he had a made hand stronger than my TP Q kicker(so i had no show down value to check the hand on the river) yet he was scared of the flush.
i called his his raise on the turn cuz i was both getting odds and thought there also a good chance i may be able to take the pot away from him with position on the river.
im not saying he made a horrible call but i dont think he made a good call as the way the hand was played i could only have a flush there and for him to have no dimonds(not even a small one) would make this even a stronger possiblity.
in terms of going all in i was thinking about it but again i was trying to represent AdJx or AdTx or basically the nut flush and i thought a more value bet kinda bet would get him to fold it.

the hand before that where i went all in against that player i actually didnt have any of it.the reason why i did was i knew he would fold cuz i had just seen him play a very similar hand against another player where he bets once to take the pot and then folds to any future resistance.

to be honest i was more annoyed with the size of my river bet rather than anything else .