Another Boards 200 hand and a smoked kipper cash game call

ianmc38

I cant remember the exact details of either hand, but they both wen't something like this.

Boards 200 hand

I think it was the 100/200 level. I still have the starting stack of 8k. UTG who seems solid raises to 800. He has about 2.5k behind after this raise.

Eddie the Eagle in EMP calls the raise.

I am the BB with TT.

Some info - UTG has raised my BB at least 4 times in the last 6 orbits. As everyone knows, Eddies range is huge, most big aces, any low suited ace, 2 broadways, suited connectors etc.

I decide to flat call.

Does anyone like a squeeze to 2500?

Anyways the flop is 893 rainbow. I lead out for 1500. UTG instantly goes all-in and Eddie mucks. I call and lose to JJ.


So the cash game hand. Again, details are a little hazy. One or 2 boardsies may be able to clear up a few details. The villain in this hand is ok. He has called raises a few times with bags of cr*p. On the previous table we played a hand where he check-called the flop and check-raised the turn. I showed him top pair and mucked and he showed a bluff.

So anyhoo. Villain has roughly 400 and I cover. My image would probably be a little lag but nothing extreme. I've been raising preflop and betting lots of flops.

Lots of limpers and I make it 11 with AcKh from MP. Lots of callers.

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Flop (55 - Unsure on whether this number is correct)

Jh5s8h

Checked around to me and I bet 50. Villain is the only caller.

Turn (155)

6h

Villain checks. I bet 150. Villain dwells for quite a while and eventually goes all-in for an extra 190.

I'm trying to put him on a hand. The only one I can really think of was Jx7h or something similar, ie a pair on the board, with a straight draw and a flush draw.

I asked the dealer how much was in the pot before his raise and he said 400 or so, but I counted it up and it was more like 475.

So it's 190 for me to win 650. I took an absolute age and eventually called thinking that the call is somewhere around neutral EV.

The river is another heart giving me the second nut flush.

Villain shows J4 witht he 4 of hearts. A couple of boards players at the table look absolutely bewildered at my call. The guy who lost the hand goes on a huge rant how can i call blah blah fúcking blah.

Is my logic here flawed? Does anyone ever make this call?

fuzzbox

Hand 1 - I dont like a squeeze Vs an utg raiser and me holding TT.
As played - fold to the shove - what are you thinking?

Hand 2 - sure, call - its marginal but you get pretty good odds, with reasonable chance that villain is playing with rubbish... but why not check the turn?

Oh ... and if you bet the turn AND subsequently call a shove ... then bet the pot yourself.

Gholimoli

ianmc38 wrote:

I cant remember the exact details of either hand, but they both wen't something like this.

Boards 200 hand

I think it was the 100/200 level. I still have the starting stack of 8k. UTG who seems solid raises to 800. He has about 2.5k behind after this raise.

Eddie the Eagle in EMP calls the raise.

I am the BB with TT.

Some info - UTG has raised my BB at least 4 times in the last 6 orbits. As everyone knows, Eddies range is huge, most big aces, any low suited ace, 2 broadways, suited connectors etc.

I decide to flat call.

Does anyone like a squeeze to 2500?

Anyways the flop is 893 rainbow. I lead out for 1500. UTG instantly goes all-in and Eddie mucks. I call and lose to JJ.


So the cash game hand. Again, details are a little hazy. One or 2 boardsies may be able to clear up a few details. The villain in this hand is ok. He has called raises a few times with bags of cr*p. On the previous table we played a hand where he check-called the flop and check-raised the turn. I showed him top pair and mucked and he showed a bluff.

So anyhoo. Villain has roughly 400 and I cover. My image would probably be a little lag but nothing extreme. I've been raising preflop and betting lots of flops.

Lots of limpers and I make it 11 with AcKh from MP. Lots of callers.

Flop (75 - Unsure on whether this number is correct)

Jh5s8h

Checked around to me and I bet 75. Villain is the only caller.

Turn (225)

6h

Villain checks. I bet 125. Villain dwells for quite a while and eventually goes all-in for an extra 190.

I'm trying to put him on a hand. The only one I can really think of was Jx7h or something similar, ie a pair on the board, with a straight draw and a flush draw.

I asked the dealer how much was in the pot before his raise and he said 400 or so, but I counted it up and it was more like 475.

So it's 190 for me to win 650. I took an absolute age and eventually called thinking that the call is somewhere around neutral EV.

The river is another heart giving me the second nut flush.

Villain shows J4 witht he 4 of hearts. A couple of boards players at the table look absolutely bewildered at my call. The guy who lost the hand goes on a huge rant how can i call blah blah fúcking blah.

Is my logic here flawed? Does anyone ever make this call?

hand one :
fine.

Hand two:
what the hell are you doing man.
dont like the pot bet on the flop.
hate the turn bet.
hate the call on the river.maybe ok with nut flush draw and only because of the way you played it but noway with second nut flush draw.

HalfBaked

Gholimoli wrote:

hand one :
fine.

Hand two:
what the hell are you doing man.
dont like the pot bet on the flop.
hate the turn bet.
hate the call on the river.maybe ok with nut flush draw and only because of the way you played it but noway with second nut flush draw.

In Ian's defense (I don't know why as it was destinctly kipperish) I was at the table and he declared the nuts flush on the river, only to correct himself and declare the second nuts. I think he thought he had the Ah and Kc.

As far as the villan goes he made some pretty horrific plays / calls. At one stage he called a €25 raise (20% of his stack at the time) out of position against one player with 4-6os.... and luckboxed a flop of 4-4-2.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

Hand 1 - I dont like a squeeze Vs an utg raiser and me holding TT.
As played - fold to the shove - what are you thinking?

Hand 2 - sure, call - its marginal but you get pretty good odds, with reasonable chance that villain is playing with rubbish... but why not check the turn?

Oh ... and if you bet the turn AND subsequently call a shove ... then bet the pot yourself.

Hand 1: I had to call 1k when the pot was 6400. Can i really lay it down getting those odds?

Hand 2: The check on the turn is obviously a million times better (even more so because I thought a check-raise was coming). The way I played the hand I think I'm priced into the call on the turn once he checkraises me based on previous history.

I actually think the pot size on the flop was 50 and I bet pot on the flop and turn (though my memory is as goldfish like as my poker playing)

BTW: I did think I had the ace of hearts as HalfBaked said until I looked at my cards and went oh shít K hearts.

El Stuntman

ianmc38 wrote:

I actually think the pot size on the flop was 50 and I bet pot on the flop and turn (though my memory is as goldfish like as my poker playing)

BTW: I did think I had the ace of hearts as HalfBaked said until I looked at my cards and went oh shít K hearts.

goldfish only have a ten second memory so this is entirely reasonable

cardshark202

Hand 1: Not sure about the call preflop against a tight player with only 2500 behind. Once called, I check fold this flop unless I have a read.

Hand 2: I don't fire this flop after getting so many callers. Once called, I will almost always check behind on the turn. As played, call is marginal but seems ok if you are fairly sure you have about 15 outs. However, does villian never have a made flush here?

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Hand 1: I had to call 1k when the pot was 6400. Can i really lay it down getting those odds?

Then you should not bet the flop in the first place.
See what you did!!!!