If you've been on a Self-defense course - what did you think of it?

Baggio...

Hey y'all,

Just with the recent talk about short self-defense courses. There quite a few around there days.

I was just wondering about the guys who took part in one (past or present). What did you get out of it, and do you think it will help you in the future?

Cheers,

R.

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Baggio... wrote:

Hey y'all,

Just with the recent talk about short self-defense courses. There quite a few around there days.

I was just wondering about the guys who took part in one (past or present). What did you get out of it, and do you think it will help you in the future?

Cheers,

R.

SD is part of the Mugendo kickboxing syllabus, done it all through my gradings and thought it was absolutely useless.

It was funny, because although I knew it was crap I remember when I tried Judo first and thought to myself "ah, when I'm grabbed by the collar I'll just do 'this, that & the other' and drop the guy"... Man was I thought flying lessions with those moves!.

Odysseus

Hi Rob,
I have been to six so far this year so far, I'm a tad paticular about where I go, however, gerenerally, I learn something that in realtion to my life experience seems useful. Take care mate, looking forward to seeing you again.

Musashi

Only got to Micks' course so far I learnt, or had confirmed for me, that SD is a lot simpler than most people try to make it. "Bang a big dose of sleep into 'em" would be the gist of it Gross motor skills and Less moves are better than knowing twenty subtle sequences of choreographed dance stuff. Micks class would be easy to retain too, even under pressure.

Not a "pure" SD Seminar, but the bit I got to do in Sayoc Kali (cheers Dave!) taught me I never want to face a trained knifer :eek:

Baggio...

Hey guys,

Hope you dudes are keeping well?

I've just been curious, because there has been a lot of cynicism on these boards re. weekend courses (some of it's justifiable too). So I was just really interested to see if people in general were happy doing them, and did they think they were worth the cash?

I've never really been to any myself, but I often to check out the Irish Fighter too see what's happening. But I'd definitely go to one if it was from the right person (Geoff Thompson, etc.).

Odysseus, it sounds like you've been to a few that you really got something good out of them. What stuff would you recommend, if you don't mind me asking (might check some stuff out)?

Catch you fellas later,

R.

charley lucky

hello
I,ve been on so many, UK, irish, USA, europe, japan, asia, etc etc
there is wide variety, first before I,ll say what i like I,ll say what i don,t like,

the idea that anyone can consider themselves qualifed in short space of time is..pure delusion, unfortaunly many coures suggest this, in order to get on you need
A- to be sincere, natual student, B- have great art C- have great teacher, these art have B and C, but , please, forget the 1 week, weekend idea, arts are like chess, you can learn some very quick, it take a lifetime to perfect
I like,
1-kapap because it deals with everything,empty, weapons, grounds, nerves, grallping, etc, etc, the people in charge are really first rate, it gives credit where credit due, asks students to look around, I was told by Avi that the 1 week cert is,nt really qualifying you in anything other that to say you,ve accomplished that much, not to teach, and kapap have 4 levels, and ongoing tests, I can,t see them ever selling there art
2- TFT because of its methodology, simplistic, for the money , if I could do anything in short space of time, TFT, forgeting the drawl about how quick it gets you
3-JIM Wagners, his techniques were... dodgy, his lessons pur ely great, no where I,ve seen availble to non military such as he, I,d recommend his crime/women, terrorist to anyone
4-any BCA stuff is really good
5- perhaps,one of the best must go to Senshido, Richy is humble real man, he does,nt make any promises, won,t sell his art, and best of all, comes from greece!;) well, I think he does
that,s about it, please don,t buy the hype about qucikly qualify, and all those new techniques, the human body is finite, after all, how many ways can we run..?
best wishes
charley in b,kok

Millionaire

yep, I recommend Rich at www.senshido.com

great RBSD stuff from an MMA training set up, like street orientated MMA, Shredder etc...great teacher, funny on his DVDS too.

and he always answers my stupid questions if I email him!

paddyc

Mairt

SD is part of the Mugendo kickboxing syllabus, done it all through my gradings and thought it was absolutely useless

what you thought that SD was useless or kickboxing sorry couldnt help that


been to one course like that never ever again


paddy

albermarle

Went to a Geoff Thompson seminar in Westport Co. Mayo in '97.

He got us hitting heavy focus pads with our bare hands not telling us what strike to use just allowing us to find our own. We did training in grappling with partner after partner to the point of suffocation (this was to give us the genuine experience of being the end of our endurance). Most importantly here was a huge amount of life-changing info on the way real fights actually happen.

After the seminar, I modified my Jiu-Jitsu training to be a fair bit 'harder' and I visualised every session as a life or death struggle etc. The seminar also influenced me to be totally nice to everybody and to shy away from fights to the point of becoming a complete nervous nelly about confrontation.

I haven't trained for a long time now but the main thing, in my opinion, that a SD course should address is the WAY fights occur, and the dialogue/body language that often precedes them.

yomchi

albermarle wrote:

I haven't trained for a long time now but the main thing, in my opinion, that a SD course should address is the WAY fights occur, and the dialogue/body language that often precedes them.

Spot on mate, agree 100%

Millionaire

paddyc wrote:

Mairt





what you thought that SD was useless or kickboxing sorry couldnt help that


been to one course like that never ever again


paddy

I can answer that too Paddy, as I went through the whole Mugendo thing from the very start until very recently.

the stuff I had to learn, like, guy grabs your arm, and you and magically put him into some sort of police arrest style arm bar. then you try it on your buddy one day, showing him some moves, and he just tighens out his arm, and you cannot budge him an inch! LOL! usual MA SD.

The kickboxing was good, very boxing orientated, and 100s of rounds of good decent sparring over the years. got to train and do alot of sparring (as in me getting battered full contact) by the likes of George Canning Jnr who was world champ for 7 years, Gerry "Cisco" Kidd another world champ and a few others at Euro and Biritsh levels.

It like that story "Acres if Diamonds" (Google it if you do not know it)...I had the best SD weapon and it took me 20 years to realise it....a good hard fu*king right cross on the jaw, followed by a left hook!

Baggio...

albermarle wrote:

in my opinion, that a SD course should address is the WAY fights occur, and the dialogue/body language that often precedes them.

I'm with Jon too,I totally agree with you there.

I think any good RBSD type course should include these fundamental elements. A good understanding such concepts will benefit anyones training - regardless of style. I've never had the chance to train with GT:( - although I'd like to pop over to one of his "Ultimate Self-defense" Seminars at some point.

Just to also agree with the other boys re. Senshido - Some of Rich's stuff is excellent. He's a very capable instructor, and seems very down to Earth too.

Cheers,

B.

charley lucky

:cool: could,nt help notice that when i did morning check, can i expect a tirade of ' you should,nt of done that its racist ,na na na na,s" by the politicaly correct brigade, perhaps they,ll even challenge your creds,;) maybe I,am seeing things, i checked twice, me eyes not to good, :eek: so forgive if wring
onemoretop guy is called
Southnark, don,t let the name put you off, he,s real deal, had a few lessons with one of his studnets in LA recently, very nice stuff,
hope see you soon
cheers
charley:)

Millionaire

Paddys the lads name....thats Paddy Clint! thats allowed!

yes, read some articles on Southnark....see articles on www.urbancombatives.com

M.Gatzy

Mairt wrote:

SD is part of the Mugendo kickboxing syllabus, done it all through my gradings and thought it was absolutely useless.

It was funny, because although I knew it was crap I remember when I tried Judo first and thought to myself "ah, when I'm grabbed by the collar I'll just do 'this, that & the other' and drop the guy"... Man was I thought flying lessions with those moves!.

Self Defence classes are not crap, they couldn't be more useful, you just need to find the right instructor and a class that suites you!!!

Baggio...

M.Gatzy wrote:

Self Defence classes are not crap, they couldn't be more useful, you just need to find the right instructor and a class that suites you!!!

True... if you get a decent instructor with good material definitely good for your training in my opinion.

M.Gatzy

Baggio... wrote:

True... if you get a decent instructor with good material definitely good for your training in my opinion.

I glad to see you agree, my advice to you is try the many different Self Defence that are around, your bound to find one you like!!( besides your bound to pick something up from all of them)

Dr_Teeth

I just started a 10 week course given by Aidan at www.kravmaga.ie (as recommended by Millionaire!). Yesterday evening was all about theory, talking about street confrontations, de-escalation, awareness etc.

The course looks like it's going to be a blend of KM techniques, Geoff Thompson 'fence' etc. theory/practice, and lots of hitting pads as hard as we can. I can't wait til next Wednesday.

gymrabbit

Dr_Teeth wrote:

I just started a 10 week course given by Aidan at www.kravmaga.ie (as recommended by Millionaire!). Yesterday evening was all about theory, talking about street confrontations, de-escalation, awareness etc.

The course looks like it's going to be a blend of KM techniques, Geoff Thompson 'fence' etc. theory/practice, and lots of hitting pads as hard as we can. I can't wait til next Wednesday.

how much?

Dr_Teeth

All the details are on that site, it is 150 euros for 10 weeks.