Dole question ??

IgsTer

Hi..

im trying to get a job now..as i am about to drop out of college..but just in case i cant get one for a while..im turning 18 in november and just wondering..how much would i probably be on a week..my mother doesnt work and my father gets a slightly above average wage for a father..if ya know what i mean..

and if anyone here is on it...around how much do you get per week..if ya dont mind saying..:o

Rockee

If your dad is getting a 'slightly above average' wage then they might say you're not entitled due to that fact alone. 165euro is the going figure per week at the moment but they decide how much you'll be getting (should you be given the go ahead) by your personal circumstances. They'll ask how long you're out of work, have you signed for FAS etc...

IgsTer

well ive never worked before in my life..will that be a problem..??

and by fas you mean like registering with them so youll be shown on the list of people looking for certain types of jobs.. that employers will look at..?

well id say ill be eligble..my father doesnt earn that much..but enough to keep us going..

Rockee

Well if yer dad is getting a regular enough wage then that factor shouldnt enter it and you'll be fine. It helps though if you had previous work experience because then you'll have stamps worked up. Depending on how many stamps you have, the longer you are entitled to claim social welfare benefits. They ask you if you're registered with FAS only when you're sorting out the logistics of whether you're entitled or not. Basically they want to make sure you're making some sort of effort to look for work. Registering for FAS is very easy and yes youll be on their database...its no harm! Best of luck.

joebhoy1916

IgsTer wrote:

Hi..
im trying to get a job now..as i am about to drop out of college..but just in case i cant get one for a while..im turning 18 in november and just wondering..how much would i probably be on a week..my mother doesnt work and my father gets a slightly above average wage for a father..if ya know what i mean..

Hi

You see what you do is you dont tell them you live with your Ma and Da becuase you will get sweet feck all trust me you will get less than 100, my Dad never lived with me and my ma only made about 250 a week. You say to them your living with a family member (who owns there own home) or someone who is renting not on the council house becuase it can affect there rent.

They will send someone out to see if your living there, you get the family member or friend or whatever to say your living there when the woman calls or man it would be good if you were there but they give up calling after about 4 or 5 times and just give you the money

Then you will be on €165. If your ma and da live in a council house it will be good for them too because there rent should go down

You must register with Fas. Just pick some course in about 7 months time when they send you a letter dont fill it in.

Wishbone Ash

Would you not consider getting even a minimum wage job, until something better comes along? There's loads of them out there. It would be a better option as you would be getting valuble work experience which any future employers may consider. It may also be better for your personal well being to be productive rather than hanging around drawing the dole. You are only 18 so it's important to get into the habit of getting up for work and won't have to explain why you were on the dole to any future employers either.

(Apologies for sounding like a parent - I'm sure it's not what you want to hear. Good luck anyway. )

Wishbone Ash

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Hi

You dont tell them you live with your Ma and Da becuase you will get sweet feck all trust me you will get less than 100,

You say to them your living with a family member (who owns there own home) or someone who is renting not on the council house becuase it can affect there rent.

you get the family member or friend or whatever to say your living there


Just pick some course in about 7 months time when they send you a letter dont fill it in.

Very poor advice joebhoy1916. It is an offence to make false declarations to any Government Department.

joebhoy1916

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Very poor advice joebhoy1916. It is an offence to make false declarations to any Government Department.

Its not poor advice its the truth, they will **** you backwards if you say your with your parents, even though you are regarded as an adult they still see it as if your living with parents they should provide for you.

IgsTer

Haha well thanks alot for the different comments..appreciate them all..i feel that i will most likely get under 100euro with out a doiubt..probably about 60-80 euro which isnt much..if i were able to get a minimum wage job i would..but no employers want me ..i find it hard to get a phone call for an interview back never mind doing the interview well..:(

if i am gettin less than 80 euro and still havent got a job by the time im 18 then i might consider doing one of fas's courses and get paid for doing it..??

Lump

Get a job, Don't lie to the government. If you're living at home and not paying any rent, why the **** should tax payers fork out for you to have €40 a week more. Fair enough if you can't get a job, but by the sounds of it, you're not all that keen on looking for a job to begin with "If I don;t get a job" Why no worry about that when you don't one. Dropping out of college and going straigh on the dole while living at home is the easy option. If you want beer money work for it!

What jobs have you applied for? Cleaner, Shop assistant, forecourt assistant, Bin man, or have you just been applying for jobs that you need experience for even though you have none. Then you're suprised when they don't call you back!?

johnnyrotten

Get a job and don't sponge of the PAYE workers. Theres plenty of work out there

IgsTer

here..why you going mad at me for man..i knew someone would post somehting like that in this thread but i never tought it'd be a mod..for your infomation..ive being looking for work none stop since i turned 16..id say in the last two years ive submitted over 150+ cvs to different places looking for work..and in all only got 2 interviews which i did not get the job for..i have too many bad things going for me..live in a bad area...have no previous experience..i am not all that confident either from what you can imagined been turned down so many times..so dont go mad at me man..im going to be 18 soon and want to have a bit of money to at least go out (not drinking) and not be stuck in me houe week in week out..

joebhoy1916

IgsTer wrote:

here..why you going mad at me for man..i knew someone would post somehting like that in this thread but i never tought it'd be a mod..for your infomation..ive being looking for work none stop since i turned 16..id say in the last two years ive submitted over 150+ cvs to different places looking for work..and in all only got 2 interviews which i did not get the job for..i have too many bad things going for me..live in a bad area...have no previous experience..i am not all that confident either from what you can imagined been turned down so many times..so dont go mad at me man..im going to be 18 soon and want to have a bit of money to at least go out (not drinking) and not be stuck in me houe week in week out..

How long were you in college for?

Kinda strange your 17 but dropping out of college but yet looking for job since your 16.

If you do FAS course you will get full wack but to be honest there sh!t. They stick you in the course's so the goverment can turn around and say oh 50,000 people found work which is sh!t because they just stick them in FAS course's there not working at all.

Honestly do what I said. If your not gonna say that, you need bank details, your Da's work receipt, rent receipt honestly you have to bring alot of stuff Ma's PRSI etc etc. Just do what I said and tell them you dont have a bank account none of there business if you have money or not.

Also I might be wrong but I think the dole is going up €20

seamus

IgsTer wrote:

here..why you going mad at me for man..i knew someone would post somehting like that in this thread but i never tought it'd be a mod..for your infomation..ive being looking for work none stop since i turned 16..id say in the last two years ive submitted over 150+ cvs to different places looking for work..and in all only got 2 interviews which i did not get the job for..i have too many bad things going for me..live in a bad area...have no previous experience..i am not all that confident either from what you can imagined been turned down so many times..so dont go mad at me man..im going to be 18 soon and want to have a bit of money to at least go out (not drinking) and not be stuck in me houe week in week out..

OK, bit of a reality check here.

Where you come from makes little difference to your ability to get a job.

At your age, and without ever having worked before, you're not going to get the job you want. You're going to get whatever's available, and you're not going to get paid much for it. You can't afford to turn anything down, or think you're too good for any job because quite bluntly, you're not.

The fact that you're living at home also has a massive effect. You may only be able to avail of €40 per week unemployment assistance - you can't apply for unemployment benefit, because you've never worked, and your parents' combined incomes will be taken into account when calculating your dole.

Your best option is start at the bottom, and plan a career (join a large retail firm, or someone like McDonalds - most such companies have schemes for training employees up to become management), or to go and get educated. Go to Fas and do a trade - plumbing and carpentry are good choices. You're still young enough that most of your mates won't have much money either (so everyone is willing to do cheap things), and when you're finished, you're likely to be earning good money.

Going on the dole is throwing your potential away.

Sam Vimes

get a job in dunnes. i worked there for three years and i found the following people working there:

alcoholics
scumbags
minor drug dealers (the major ones don't need jobs in dunnes)
idiots
mentally deficient people (one particular guy who just wasn't right in the head. he got sacked after a while but he got the job)
people who speak zero english
people with serious BO problems to the point that a manager gave him a can of deordarant
lazy bastards who don't do a tap of work
people with downs syndrome


as long as you don't actually say in the interview that you intend to burn the place down, they will give you a job.

in ireland in 2006, laziness is the only excuse for not having a job

edit: one more reason: too much pride to "lower" yourself to some jobs

Sam Vimes

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Its not poor advice its the truth, they will **** you backwards if you say your with your parents, even though you are regarded as an adult they still see it as if your living with parents they should provide for you.

yes, it is poor advice. you're advising he break the law. the government has decided that someone living at home should get x amount for a reason. by lieing about it he's screwing the tax payer and leaving himself open to a fine or jail time

IgsTer

well im not sure what to say here..everyone is coming from different angles..

all im saying is that i look for work day in day out and never have any luck..im waiting for a plumbing or carpenter apprentice but probably wont be able to get one of these for a long while..(been looking since the start of summer..)

ive made my mind up that i am not going to go on the dole..im going to do a fas course unless i have a bit of luck betwen now and december..and get a job..after that ill try again to find work which might be a bit easier saying that i did a course..or if an apprentice comes along ill do that..

thats all ill say..thanks for the comments..

Sonnenblumen

IgsTer wrote:

well im not sure what to say here..everyone is coming from different angles..

all im saying is that i look for work day in day out and never have any luck..im waiting for a plumbing or carpenter apprentice but probably wont be able to get one of these for a long while..(been looking since the start of summer..)

ive made my mind up that i am not going to go on the dole..im going to do a fas course unless i have a bit of luck betwen now and december..and get a job..after that ill try again to find work which might be a bit easier saying that i did a course..or if an apprentice comes along ill do that..

thats all ill say..thanks for the comments..

I'm coming at this from a different angle, as an employer, I would never employ apprentice or otherwise, someone who jacked in college and then signed on. It says so little about your self respect, totally lacks any discipline or focus. Zero drive and you wait for luck?

There are plenty of jobs out there, more than available labour but nothing happens unless you try. I could say more but probably risk offending people etc.

Sonnenblumen

Commander Vimes wrote:

get a job in dunnes. i worked there for three years and i found the following people working there:

alcoholics
scumbags
minor drug dealers (the major ones don't need jobs in dunnes)
idiots
mentally deficient people (one particular guy who just wasn't right in the head. he got sacked after a while but he got the job)
people who speak zero english
people with serious BO problems to the point that a manager gave him a can of deordarant
lazy bastards who don't do a tap of work
people with downs syndrome


as long as you don't actually say in the interview that you intend to burn the place down, they will give you a job.

in ireland in 2006, laziness is the only excuse for not having a job

edit: one more reason: too much pride to "lower" yourself to some jobs

You forgot to add your name to the list or did you fail?

IgsTer

actaully sonnen i got into a course which i probably shouldnt of being allowed into in the first place..i barely scraped the minimum requirements for the course and knew before i even went to start that there was a big chance that i would not be able to do it..mainly because i did not get the standerd of education that other people going to college had..in my class only me and three others passed ordinary level maths out of 20..also only me and the three others were able to go onto further education and ichose to do so but i knew from the start that i wouldnt be able to do it because of the way our class was teached in secondry school..but i tryed anyway ..so dont try describe me as being lazy or what ever you meant please..

gustavo

Good luck with the Fas course anyway IgsTer

Guy:Incognito

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Its not poor advice its the truth, they will **** you backwards if you say your with your parents, even though you are regarded as an adult they still see it as if your living with parents they should provide for you.

How can they **** you over if they're giving you free money. Regardless of how little you get its still free money. It's not like they shake you down for your lunch money when you go in.

BuffyBot

They will look for overpayments to be repaid. And they have LONG memories.

IgsTer

thanks gustavo mate..

irishproduce

Good luck with the course Igster.
Its a start and you will need as much experience as possible when applying for the kind of jobs you want.
Also consider talking yourself up a bit and dont be so negative towards yourself.

You should be fine.

Cantab.

Stekelly wrote:

How can they **** you over if they're giving you free money. Regardless of how little you get its still free money. It's not like they shake you down for your lunch money when you go in.

AFAIK, if you're living at home with your parents, you'll only get €32 (unless you're over 25, in which case they'll give you the €165). If you're living at a brothers/sisters/friends house, you'll get €165. If you've paid PRSI in a previous job and are not living at home, you can get €165 a week plus rent allowance of up to ~€380pm (or €1100 a month total income, tax free).

Inspector will call around to the house that you're living in - your ma/da/brother/sister/granny/friend may not be too happy...

IgsTer

thanks irishproduce appreciate it alot..

and cantab for the facts they give a good indicater to what id get but doesnt matter anymore im going to go with a fas course..no dole for me

and once again thanks for all the helpful comments