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Hectorjelly · 07-10-2006 10:45am #1

Villain is tight, 21 4 over 50 hands. We have no history together, and I have never seen him play a hand. I make it $8 after one limper. Villain calls from the BB, limper folds. The flop is 38T, two hearts. He checks, I bet 18, he makes it 36 more. I ???

Ste05 · 07-10-2006 10:53am

Effective stacks? I presume you're on the button?

Hectorjelly · 07-10-2006 11:05am

Ste05 wrote:

Effective stacks? I presume you're on the button?

sorry, $200 each. not sure what position I was in, probably cutoff or button

FullOf..IT · 07-10-2006 11:09am

Why are you and fuzz playing 1/2? Thats my domain now!

I flat call here.

Hopefully turn is a non heart and he tries to protect his JJ QQ again.

NickyOD · 07-10-2006 11:12am

Fold.

Ste05 · 07-10-2006 11:13am

Hectorjelly wrote:

He checks, I bet 18, he makes it 36 more. I ???

Puke then then call and see what he does on the turn, I doubt he's doing this with a FD (seems too tight) I'd say he has 88, TT, JJ or QQ. I think if I re-raise here, he might fold JJ and QQ, but push with 88 and TT. I'll let him bet his JJ or QQ on the turn and check with his set intending to CRAI.

But it's a nasty spot to be in. Do you have the Kh by the way...

ocallagh · 07-10-2006 11:22am

Against a player this tight you are up against one of 7 hands, 33,88,TT,JJ,QQ,KK,AA. You're only ahead of 2 of these hands so folding here looks ok.

33/KK not as likely as JJ/QQ but i still think folding is better than calling.

Hectorjelly · 07-10-2006 11:26am

FullOf..IT wrote:

Why are you and fuzz playing 1/2? Thats my domain now!

I flat call here.

Hopefully turn is a non heart and he tries to protect his JJ QQ again.

I blew almost my entire bankroll; details on my blog. Im rebuilding it now so I can get back to the dizzying heights of 36

Hectorjelly · 07-10-2006 11:27am

Ste05 wrote:

I'll let him bet his JJ or QQ on the turn and check with his set intending to CRAI.

The only players I have seen attempt a double check raise in this spot are total idiots, or players playing against total idiots

TacT · 07-10-2006 11:28am

yuck, I grumble and fold

FullOf..IT · 07-10-2006 11:30am

Hectorjelly wrote:

I blew almost my entire bankroll; details on my blog.

I was just about say I hope u blew it on something decent. Just read your blog and I wouldnt calling that squandering.:D

ntlbell · 07-10-2006 11:36am

Hector your reading boards long enough now....

Raise for information and fold when you get it....obviously.......

Lafortezza · 07-10-2006 11:51am

I never fold this. After 50 hands you can't tell if a player is tight or not unless you have seen him go to showdown alot and have seen what cards he has been playing and how he has played them.
Call see what happens on the turn.

pok3rplaya · 07-10-2006 12:46pm

I flat call and see a turn. I can call a reasonable turn bet but def. not a river bet. I don't think many 200NL players are capable of bluffing the river too. This guy is probably a nit so folding to a turn PSB is fine too. If he checks a blank turn I bet again.

fuzzbox · 07-10-2006 8:47pm

I go broke here a lot.

You can do it in a variety of ways.

Folding is not a bad option tho - but you have KING KING !!!!!!!

TacT · 08-10-2006 7:44am

outcome please HJ?

Hectorjelly · 08-10-2006 8:44am

I folded!

TacT · 08-10-2006 9:03am

damn, I guess it's a good fold but hard to say. Was going to ask you just how tight the villain was? So tight that he's not going to reraise with JJ/QQ in position? If that was the case then I might have been willing to pay him off on his set, if that is what he hit but it's very, very iffy considering there are only 2 hands you beat and more hands that beat you.

Min raise looks like one of those stupidly played sets from villain alright. Although, again the question begs is he really that tight he won't make that same play with a flush draw or open ended str8 but I guess you answered that question when you told us he was tight?

Hectorjelly · 08-10-2006 9:20am

yeah afterwards I really thought he could of had queens

robinlacey · 08-10-2006 9:48am

wtf?
flat call and see what happens on the turn,probably call down,i know he's tight but that doesn't mean he's not a retard who minraises when he's confused

igoe · 08-10-2006 10:45am

$36 more, not a min-raise robin (x2 raise)

I know youd call down with AK if he CR the turn robin, and be right.

With KK i'll be a pay-off wizard against an admitedly tight but unkown player.

Hectorjelly · 08-10-2006 2:45pm

robinlacey wrote:

wtf?
flat call and see what happens on the turn,probably call down,i know he's tight but that doesn't mean he's not a retard who minraises when he's confused

I bet 18, he made it 54

Samba · 08-10-2006 5:10pm

His image definitely rubbed off on you and there's a small chance he's taking advantage of this however he's a tight player and TT is a very likely hand that he could flat call with. It's a draw heavy board tight villains will generally raise with a set on such a textured flop. AKh is another canditate again a very likely hand for a tight villain to flat call with.

I don't think i like the re-evaluate the turn option unless there is a reason to evaulate we should only be calling with a firm belief that we have the best hand. How will we act on the turn check fold to a heart? Lead on a blank?

The villain has effectively taken control of the hand by raising, to add to this he also has position it's very difficult to know where you stand here and as fuzz said you can go broke or fold considering the circumstances I think we are leaking money in the long run against this type of villain and his raising.

Tough fold

fuzzbox · 08-10-2006 6:31pm

robinlacey wrote:

wtf?
flat call and see what happens on the turn,probably call down,i know he's tight but that doesn't mean he's not a retard who minraises when he's confused

He didnt minraise ... did he?

Gholimoli · 08-10-2006 6:59pm

Samba wrote:

I don't think i like the re-evaluate the turn option unless there is a reason to evaulate we should only be calling with a firm belief that we have the best hand. How will we act on the turn check fold to a heart? Lead on a blank?

i disagree with this.
there is nothing wrong in calling a bet with the sole intention of seeing if your opponent will bet again.you can call a bet on the flop with the intention of folding to a bet on the turn and your play would be perfectly fine and infact its one way of taking advantage of good position.
in this case you can call the bet and fold to bet on the turn and check behind if villain checks.

i dont like the fold here that much at all HJ simply becuase you think he is tight.i think in the long run against even a tight villain the best play here is to call the flop bet and see what he does on the turn.
on the turn a tight player would only make a big bet with a hand that has you beat so if he bets again you can be fairly sure that your hand is no good.
but i think the fold here ends the hand prematurely .

AmarilloFats · 09-10-2006 9:22am

call for information.

Samba · 09-10-2006 12:18pm

against tight aggressive rocks, I think it's usually safe to say you are going to be faced with a large turn bet, I agree calling to re-evaluate can make sense but not against this villain imo.

The above, coupled with the fact that we are out of position really does not make re-evaluation an attractive prospect for me.

There are times when it has it's advantages i.e when in position and facing an opponent who is addicted to continuation betting with any two cards.

Gholimoli · 09-10-2006 1:37pm

Samba wrote:

against tight aggressive rocks, I think it's usually safe to say you are going to be faced with a large turn bet, I agree calling to re-evaluate can make sense but not against this villain imo.

The above, coupled with the fact that we are out of position really does not make re-evaluation an attractive prospect for me.

There are times when it has it's advantages i.e when in position and facing an opponent who is addicted to continuation betting with any two cards.

villain is on BB so we have position on him.

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