THES ranking

notjim

78th in the world, 25th in Europe.

Time Magazine

G'wan Heggo.

Delirah.

ApeXaviour

Links?

notjim

TCD PR

http://www.tcd.ie/Communications/pressRelease.php?headerID=439&pressReleaseArchive=2007

The THES themselves don't put it on their website for another week so someone in the college must have bought a copy. Like last year lots of jumping around, this list will have to become more stable before it can be taken more seriously. Still, gives us bragging rights for at least a year.

europerson

That's good news!

BessBoy

ApeXaviour wrote:

Links?

See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2389106,00.html

That wailing sound you hear is coming from Belfield.....

notjim

well that article doesn't give the list, it would be interesting to know where ucd came and to see who we beat, the pr claims the sorbonne, which is amusing, the list should be online soon. i just checked and the ucd website isn't trumpeting some big improvement, so they probably didn't improve so much from last time. looking at there website reminds me though how annoying it was that they got a confusius institute, we are so slow about opportunities like that.

BessBoy

notjim wrote:

well that article doesn't give the list, it would be interesting to know where ucd came and to see who we beat, the pr claims the sorbonne, which is amusing, the list should be online soon. i just checked and the ucd website isn't trumpeting some big improvement, so they probably didn't improve so much from last time. looking at there website reminds me though how annoying it was that they got a confusius institute, we are so slow about opportunities like that.

notjim

cool - thanks bessboy: i wonder what lusanne did wrong and dartmouth right. good year generally for smallish private us colleges. was ucd on the 101-200 list, queens?

Time Magazine

THES Report wrote:

More alarming among small European nations is the position of Ireland, which has only one entrant, Trinity College Dublin. Its rise from 111th place in 2005 to 78 today will be a relief to a Government that wants Ireland’s universities to match the country’s increasing emergence on the European stage. But the real issue is not Trinity’s position but the fact that no other Irish university has made it to the top 200, not even University College Dublin.

Heh.

Aero787

Generalised league tables are a load of rubbish. Subject-specific ones hold a lot more value. They're more relevant for people interested in graduate studies than undergraduate.

CIT was ranked 10th in Ireland by the Sunday Times, so it probably didn't feature anywhere on the list of world university list yet I know a group of guys who were acccepted to do their MEng at a top engineering university, also being in the top ten in the world in the THES 2006 league table. CIT has an excellent reputation for engineering.

The significant weight on research and library spending leaves Ireland trailing, but that will have to change if we want to develop a "knowledge-led" society. So, for undergrad studies, league tables are generally irrevalent, especially if they're not subject specific.

If I were ye, I wouldn't be getting a big head.

xeduCat

The question for those of you who are delighted at the ranking to ask yourselves is simple: do you feel that Trinity has improved so much in 12 months that your education, experience, future prospects is that much better? Is it simply a case that the Times has further tweaked the ranking method but the university has not (really) changed all that much? Is Trinity a better place than it was last year?

The_Radiator

It's very difficult for undergraduates to answer that question because going from year to year, at least in my course, results in dramatic differences in the way things are thought. So I can say in SS that the course is far superior to JF due to this and that but could be purely due to course structure which is independent from changes in funding etc. etc.

Time Magazine

Aero787 wrote:

Generalised league tables are a load of rubbish...
If I were ye, I wouldn't be getting a big head.

We all know this, as xeduCat pointed out, things are still the same as they were last year.

It does, however, provide great ammunition against UCD for the laugh.

Thirdfox

And apparently the university I'm taking a year out studying in is ranked 14th...don't see that much of a difference to Trinity

BrenC

This is cool news

notjim

Thirdfox wrote:

And apparently the university I'm taking a year out studying in is ranked 14th...don't see that much of a difference to Trinity

you're in beijing and it isn't much different to tcd? the world is getting smaller!

Thirdfox

Law in Beijing is remarkably similar to law in Trinity... singing from the same hymn sheet as it were (we seem to be studying Aristotle, Rousseau, Magna Carte, American Constitution in the Constitutional law) - the lecturer is sharply critical of the Gov. (so much so that the "liberal" students often argue with him... )

There are a few differences sure...but on the whole it's just like studying in TCD... the food is better though (and a whole lot cheaper!)

Bartronilic

This is another Jenga Block pulled out from UCD's concrete mess of a campus.

Troglodyte

Bartronilic wrote:

This is another Jenga Block pulled out from UCD's concrete mess of a campus.

Now now, lets show some magnanimity in victory.... The UCDers are bound to be upset enough as it is.

notjim

Bartronilic wrote:

This is another Jenga Block pulled out from UCD's concrete mess of a campus.

Of course this is an interesting point, how much does the fact we look like a ancient university and ucd, actually a red brick, looks like a campus university affect these rankings, they are mostly based on peer review. certainly the relative position of tcd and ucd is suprising given that the gap in per capita research funding is so small, about 10% I think, one cset and they could overtake us. however, we are 78th or 111th or whatever and they don't chart.

i think the way we look helps in two ways, we are much more effective at recruiting from abroad and thats because people come for interview and feel like they are in a prestigous place and second, people who have visited to give takes etc have the impression of visiting some proper place and not some car park dominated jumble out of town and this influences how they rank us.