More Advice Pleasey

FullOf..IT

Still having a go at 1/2, holding my own too! (4bb/100 over 2k of hands)

The advice im getting here is the reason why.

So onto the next lesson....

At table bout 30mins

Villain is 25 21 8

I have re raised twice in postion with AKs and QQ, folded twice preflop but not against him.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($195)
BB ($481.17)
UTG ($184)
MP ($202.25)
Hero ($322.12)
Button ($173.53)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG raises to $8, MP raises to $22, Hero raises to $51, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP calls $180.25 (All-In),

Me?...

Ste05

This is certainly foldable.... has he ever done anything like this before??

If you think he'd do this with QQ or AK then call, but otherwise fold. Although folding KK Pre-flop is not something I do regularly, (I actually can't think of anytime I've done it in a cash game)

ianmc38

I call.

Norwich Fan Rob

if i had notes or any indication that the villian was good, and doesnt get out of line, i would think hard about folding.
Against your standard 1/2 player, i suggest whilst this is AA a lot of the time, u are ahead more than 50% of the time all in all.

FullOf..IT

I called he had AA, its good

Just ran KK into AA again all in pf. This means that all my profit and gud work the last 2 days has just being undone.

I feel like ive just being knocked down by a train.

this game sucks!

Ste05

Here's a little tip for you in relation to the first hand.

If you have little to no useful reads on a player, when you sit down at a table and there's players you don't know, do a search for that player and see how many tables he's playing, if he's playing 6-8 tables, then this is AA nearly 90% of the time. If he's only playing 1 table, then there's a much higher chance that it's not AA.

One of my favourite type of players to play against are the 8 tabling grinders. Basically they play by a formula, once you figure out what formula they're using, it's so easy to play against them. It's just a little extra information for you to use that might have helped in this situation.

TacT

Did you doubt for a second he had AA? If yes, fold it and wait for a better spot to pick off your villain. Judging by previous posts, are you perhaps getting a little excited to be looking down at KK prf and thinking you have the best hand because you're playing against a lunatic?

Stop and think to yourself, is he really going to make this move with QQ/JJ/AK. If the answer is yes then it's an obvious autocall. That said, given the villains stats I might have reluctantly called him too, tough to say. I've gotten away from KK twice the past month prf and I'm damn proud of it, villains both showed their bullets and didn't believe I folded KK after some banter when the hands ended :eek:

I guess the bottom line is, if in doubt, fold, it's tough to pause and think long and hard about "wtf is he moving in on me for?" Especially when you're looking at KK and only one hand in the deck beats you but lunatics get big hands too unfortunately

Ste05

TacT wrote:

I guess the bottom line is, if in doubt, fold, it's tough to pause and think long and hard about "wtf is he moving in on me for?" Especially when you're looking at KK and only one hand in the deck beats you but lunatics get big hands too unfortunately

I actually think the other way, if in doubt, and I'm holding KK, I Call..., the doubt is there because you think he doesn't have AA, which is usually a good doubt, because you've obviously seen something previously that is leading to this doubt...

And against a Lunatic (which 25/21 isn't BTW, too aggressive PF, but not a lunatic) KK is an autocall....

Bandana boy

TacT wrote:

I guess the bottom line is, if in doubt, fold,

KK pre flop if in doubt call i would say

Villains stats seem pretty solid if a little aggresive laying down would not be horrible but at 1-2 i think i call AK QQ JJ TT enough here to be profitable

spectre

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

i suggest whilst this is AA a lot of the time, u are ahead more than 50% of the time all in all.

IMO This is AA way more often than 50%, probably more like 80%. Villain has a VPIP of 25% so we can assume that he knows something about the game.

I would call because I'm a calling station but this is probably a fold. Ste summed it up in the first reply

If you think he'd do this with QQ or AK then call, but otherwise fold

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

I call.

How often do you get shown something other than AA?

Norwich Fan Rob

last time i saw 2 guys go raise re raise re raise all in call pre flop they had 44 and 77 !!!!!
youd be amazed at how much muppetry goes on out there, and cause of that, at 1/2 against a random dude, i dont fold KK pre flop, i believe this to be +EV in the long run.
ok, this guy has a lowish vpip, but hes also quite agg pre with his raises, would be a feel thing, and a lot would depend on what he did b4, but i would be surprised if i folded.

spectre

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

last time i saw 2 guys go raise re raise re raise all in call pre flop they had 44 and 77 !!!!!
youd be amazed at how much muppetry goes on out there, and cause of that, at 1/2 against a random dude, i dont fold KK pre flop, i believe this to be +EV in the long run.
ok, this guy has a lowish vpip, but hes also quite agg pre with his raises, would be a feel thing, and a lot would depend on what he did b4, but i would be surprised if i folded.

I'd be very surprised if the hand you described happened with full stacks on 1/2NL where the majority of players have a re-raising range that doesn't stray too far from AA/KK/QQ

Bandana boy

spectre wrote:

I'd be very surprised if the hand you described happened with full stacks on 1/2NL where the majority of players have a re-raising range that doesn't stray too far from AA/KK/QQ

not sure i agree with this at all
Maybe if you said there 3 bet range being this
I have seen too many to count re-raises pre with a much wider range than this on 1-2 but that might be the bandana affect

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

How often do you get shown something other than AA?

At 1/2 I've seen QQ/AK/AQ alot. I've played 40kish hands at 1/2. Agsint an unknown I instacall it at this level. I'll obviously call/fold to other players depending on their history and previous hands etc.

Ste05

I agree with Spectre, at 1/2 I'd say this will be 44 or 77 (or similar) almost never.

An UTG 4x BB raise, a proper re-raise of ~3x the raise, followed by another proper re-re-raise of 1/4 of the OP's stack, followed by a fold then push, is going to be nothing other than QQ, KK, AA, or AK (with QQ and AK - very very seldomnly). For me to include any other hands in his range, I'd need to have seen him do this kind of thing before. Or know that he's a completely overly aggressive terrible player, and his stats do not show that.

Norwich Fan Rob

nope, i dont really play 1/2, this was at 5/10 on tribeca, where id seem some amazing stuff over the last week since i started playing cash on this site.
I figure there must be a substantial monthly prize i havent heard about for whoever can bluff off a full tank the most often or something like this.
It plays totally diff than the £2/5 i used to play on crypto, its so much looser its unreal, but after i while, i end up playing too loose myself.
(ie fold top pair twice to savage action to be shown no pair no draw, then call a guy with top pair, and he has a set or something, its lots of fun though)
Most of these guys fire 2 or 3 barrels for full tanks at will, so its hard to put them on a hand.
last night for eg, i have 97 on bb, unraised, flop 985, i bet pot, 1 caller, turn a K, check check, river a 2, i check, he fires 100 into 50 pot, i call , he has 4 6 off.
very next hand, i have QT, unraised again, flop 347, ch ch, turn an 8 ch ch, river a 10, i check, he bets 10, i call he has a set.........madness.

TacT

well, to each their own is the bottom line then
lol NFC, it's a minefield out there!

I guess where I'm coming from is, the amount of times I used to call with KK in an instant only to lose to AA when we both get it all-in prf has swayed me to not do so as often as I used to.

phantom_lord

I've only been all-in preflop with kk once against aa, I thought about folding and that I was probably up against aces but wasn't sure enough to lay it down. Last time I thought I was up aginst aces with kings he had jacks, of course he hit a jack high flush. ****.