Judo Vs BJJ differences

buck65

Hi lads , I have decided to learn BJJ this winter to complement my TKD skills, however I have always been interested in Judo(that eastern influence I guess) I have researched both and they look similar enough - am I learning choosing the right discipline or is it a bit fadish? What are the differences- which is better ?any help appreciated.

Roper

Judo is to BJJ, what panini is to baguette...

Both sandwiches, they're just cooked differently...

I'll shut up now...

Ph3n0m

Roper wrote:

Judo is to BJJ, what panini is to baguette...

Both sandwiches, they're just cooked differently...

I'll shut up now...

true, but what filling do you suggest

NeiloMac

More Standing fighting in Judo, its the main focus, in comp with only a few sec on the ground to get anything,

Bjj is more ground work, with diffrent locks, that are not allowed in Judo,

It depends on what you want to do,

The best thing would be to try out both for a while, see which type of sandwich you prefer.

Colm_OReilly

Most BJJ schools will be sub wrestling focused, i.e. no jacket.

Judo has less subs I believe, and more of an emphasis on throwing. This can vary from club to club though.

I wouldn't say BJJ is fadish, at ~80 years it can't really be placed in the fad bracket.

In BJJ you'll get some nice fake brazillian accents as well. BJJ players are generally better looking. *sits back and waits for JudoMick*

Nothingcompares

Judo is a tasty sandwich, but BJJ has some spice to it you may not find elsewhere.

I'd echo what Conor said, on paper, Judo and BJJ aren't all that different but the difference between clubs can be much more obvious. BJJ is in rather short supply where are you based oriingal poster?

dlofnep

I wrote up a big detailed post, based on my bjj and judo training, but I'll just sum it up for you, as the intricacies aren't that important.

BJJ = 95% on the ground with some basic takedowns. Importance on submission and position when it hits the mat.. BJJ can rely on the gi, or not - depending if you are training gi or no-gi. Most schools will at least have 1 or 2 no-gi classes a week and some train specifically no-gi (usually MMA orientated schools).

Judo = 75% on throws, 25% on groundwork. Judo throws rely on the gi, BUT instructors should tell you how to implement them without the gi, as I have seen in all my classes. Judo ground work although has the submissions of BJJ, the player's level seems to be based on pins, or stalls.. With some submissions..

A judo player CAN have a very intricate ground game, but for most part is usually just strong basics, usually spent on pins - ie: scarf hold. His/Her strength is their ground abilities.

A BJJ player CAN have a very intricate throwing/takedown game, but for most part has just limited or basic throws. His/Her strength are their ground abilities.

It really depends on the individual, but on average from what I seen, the above is the correct.

I'd recommend going to both classes or swinging both of them into your training. You'll learn greatly from both.

The Shane

Natural Hooks.

I hate the gi.

sub wrestling is sexier

arybvtcw0eolkf

Different sides of the same coin IMO.

Judo can be cheaper. And you've alot more choice. You've also got lots of black belt instruction in Judo clubs, which you don't have here (presently) in BJJ.

It really depends on what you want out of it so its well worth visiting a few clubs.

IMO Judo is alot tougher in so far as its a very fast sport, both sides are always fighting for the throw, you can't defend for more than a few seconds and when you hit the mat you'd better be damn quick in working your subs, so there's no 'lay & pray' like you'd have in BJJ.

Colm_OReilly

Mairt I'd disagree with your "judo is tougher" statement.

Personally, I find that people will always claim something is tougher than another, and I get that. The reason you state is that Judo is more explosive and requires more intensive energy (bad description, but I'm tired/hungover). A while back we'd a poster claim boxing was tougher than MMA, since it was of a longer duration.

To take it away from martial arts. A rower could claim his sport is tougher than gymnastics, because of the energy expenditure is a lot higher/more intense. The gymnast could claim his sport is tougher because of the difficulty in mastering techniques.

Is cycling tougher than triathlons?

My point is that the notion of toughness is highly variable and specific to each indivisual, and not very valuable to someone making a decision.

dlofnep

I'd say both are equally tougher than hopskotch.

Nothingcompares

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Mairt I'd disagree with your "judo is tougher" statement.

Personally, I find that people will always claim something is tougher than another, and I get that. The reason you state is that Judo is more explosive and requires more intensive energy (bad description, but I'm tired/hungover). A while back we'd a poster claim boxing was tougher than MMA, since it was of a longer duration.

To take it away from martial arts. A rower could claim his sport is tougher than gymnastics, because of the energy expenditure is a lot higher/more intense. The gymnast could claim his sport is tougher because of the difficulty in mastering techniques.

Is cycling tougher than triathlons?

My point is that the notion of toughness is highly variable and specific to each indivisual, and not very valuable to someone making a decision.

What definition would you assign to tough used in the context of the catchphrase "tough isn't how you act but how you train".

arybvtcw0eolkf

Maybe using the word "tough" was a poor choice. Maybe I should have said 'more intense'

Yes, "tough" was a poor choice. And I take what you said about the other thread C. I read it while it was active. For example, I kickboxed for along time and never found it 'tough' per se. During my years kickboxing, both in and out od competition I only ever suffered one injury (a pulled hamstring). With Judo, well I just thank god that the Defence Forces pay my physio bills!.

Sorry, I didn't mean to start a debate over the definition on 'tough' styles.

Colm_OReilly

hey no worries Mairt. All threads wander off topic!

What definition would you assign to tough used in the context of the catchphrase "tough isn't how you act but how you train".

Good question. There's actually two definitions there, both centering around the premise of someone being tough as in "one hardy mofo".

So tough in acting is fronting that you aren't affected by things and are ruthless to a degree. Typical Hard man, essentially.

Tough in training would be the mental fortitude to keep pushing your body through punishment day in day out, getting punched, thrown, submitted, doing weights, cardio. Each time you're knocked down you get back up.

BobbyOLeary

One difference I noticed from my vast BJJ experience* is the lack of a ranking system per se. I know there is a ranking system in BJJ but it doesn't seem to encroach upon the class, though this might just be in the case of my club.

I've never experienced a Judo class but I've talked to a few BBs about the their classes and it seems to be a much more segregated class structure akin to TMAs. Again, I've never actually taken a Judo class so I'm only going off what I've been told by a couple of BBs.

This kind of thing doesn't make any difference to me but it can affect some people as it can be slightly intimidating to start, anywho, hope this helps in some way.

-Bob

*By which I mean two classes........:D

Unpossible

I have a question, in BJJ do the compeditors start standing or on the ground? Do they take positions like wrestlers?

If they start standing up do they get points for throws?

Clive

Matches always start from standing. CBJJ rules state the following as regards throws/takedowns.

A-) TAKE DOWNS: Any kind of knocking down the opponent or being taken down on his back side, 2 points. If the athlete is thrown to the ground and does not land on his back, the thrower must pin him to the ground in the same position for at least 3 seconds to gain the points of the take down.

Observation 1: the take down that lands outside of the fighting area and on to the security area will be valid as long as the athlete that applied it stood with both feet in the fighting area while making the take down.

Observation 2: If the athlete has one of his knees on the ground and is taken down, whoever applied the take down will be awarded 2 points as long as he has both his feet on the ground. If the athlete has both his knees on the ground and is knocked down the standing athlete will have to pass to his side and maintain this position to receive an advantage.

Observation 3: When the athlete attempts the double leg and the opponent sits on the floor and executes a sweep, the athlete who attempted the takedown will not receive points, but the one who executed the sweep will.

Observation 4: When a competitor throws his opponent and ends up in a bottomposition the competitor throwing will receive 2 points and the opponent on top will receive an advantage. If the competitor executing the throw lands in his opponents guard and is swept, both will receive 2 points.

arybvtcw0eolkf

BobbyOLeary wrote:

One difference I noticed from my vast BJJ experience* is the lack of a ranking system per se. I know there is a ranking system in BJJ but it doesn't seem to encroach upon the class, though this might just be in the case of my club.

I've never experienced a Judo class but I've talked to a few BBs about the their classes and it seems to be a much more segregated class structure akin to TMAs. Again, I've never actually taken a Judo class so I'm only going off what I've been told by a couple of BBs.

This kind of thing doesn't make any difference to me but it can affect some people as it can be slightly intimidating to start, anywho, hope this helps in some way.

-Bob

*By which I mean two classes........:D

I've never seen a segregated Judo class/club.

monkey tennis

Mairt wrote:

You've also got lots of black belt instruction in Judo clubs, which you don't have here (presently) in BJJ.

From what I've heard, it's a lot harder and takes a lot longer to get a black belt in BJJ than Judo. So, naturally, there will always be more Judo black belts than BJJ black belts - doesn't mean the instruction is any better.

monkey tennis

monkey tennis wrote:

From what I've heard, it's a lot harder and takes a lot longer to get a black belt in BJJ than Judo. So, naturally, there will always be more Judo black belts than BJJ black belts - doesn't mean the instruction is any better.

Very much agree with this

arybvtcw0eolkf

monkey tennis wrote:

From what I've heard, it's a lot harder and takes a lot longer to get a black belt in BJJ than Judo. So, naturally, there will always be more Judo black belts than BJJ black belts - doesn't mean the instruction is any better.

I agree also. But until Ireland has some black belt BJJ instructors we're still playing catch up. But honestly, thats not to take away from the level of instruction here already, which from my experience and understanding is right up there with anyone else in Europe.

As I said earlier, their both sides of the same coin so try both sides and see which suits you best.

My preference was just for Judo as I found (just my own opinion) BJJ alittle boring.

Nothingcompares

There was a really good discussion recently on some of the differences between Judo and BJJ that I hope someone can locate for us.
I think you just need to spend a while training in both to gain an appreaciation for the differences and similaries between the two of them. I used to think BJJ and Judo were completely different, then I thought they were almost exactly the same, now I kinda think, it depends on who and where and how you do BJJ/Judo and this can diminish or magnify the differnces.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Just alittle 'something' from Andy Ryan's excellent SBG northside website...

http://www.sbgnorthside.com/styles.htm

dlofnep

I think a black belt in judo/bjj are equally tough to obtain. my judo instructor took 7 years to get his. That's about par for your average BJJ black belt. For his black belt, he had to win 5 matches out of 5 against his peers. That's no easy matter. Same way a bjj player will have to do well againsth is peers in competition.

The ONLY difference is, BJJ black belts are rare close to us, so it's obviously going to be alot harder for people to progress. Judo black belts are everywhere, so you're getting to train with the top guys, so naturally, your evolution is going to be easier.

A guy from brazil studying bjj will get his black belt in probably the same amount of time a guy in france gets his judo black belt IMO.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Just wondering. Do BJJ players have to fight for their belts like Judoka do after their green?.

Or can a BJJ player grade to black in the club and never fight?.

In terms of technical knowledge and hours spent on the mat, I reckon an entry level judo black belt is about equivalent to a bjj purple.

BobbyOLeary

I've never seen a segregated Judo class/club.

Neither have I as I stated. I've only talked to a couple of BBs who said they ran their classes that way. Segregation was probably an inappropriate word, what I meant is that usually advanced students train with advanced and so on. From what I saw of BJJ everyone trains together.

Clive

Mairt wrote:

Just wondering. Do BJJ players have to fight for their belts like Judoka do after their green?.

Or can a BJJ player grade to black in the club and never fight?.

No, they can be graded without competition, it's up to whoever is giving the grade. On the other hand some people get promoted as a result of doing well in competition eg Caoimhe McGill who won the blue belt world championships and was awarded her purple belt.

buck65

have decided to take up BJJ in UL with Fergal, actually not many Judo clubs in Limerick area