Any1 Heard of Stephen Grayston 10th Dan Shindo-Ryu Karate?

galfano78

http://www.e-budo.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-35198.html

pma-ire

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If he is teaching dangerous or mis-guided techniques then it may be of worry? Or charging over the mark prices??

But if he is quite able then who is to say that he is not a 10th Dan in his own style?

I find it funny how westerners have issues with this type of thing when the asian founders of many eastern MA's done the same themselves!!

One thing I will say is that no one needs a rank of 10th Dan unless they intend on grading someone to 9th Dan in a style! Apart from the fact that all grades in Martial Arts are subject to personal choice and recognition from your peers!!

Unpossible

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I said undecided but from reading a few pages of that e-budo website Im leaning towards charlaton. Its suspicious how he suddenly started jumping a few dan grades at a time, its also hard to tell if it was his own style or someone elses and even when he really started training. The thing I am convinced of from reading that site is that he was a McDojo that handed out grades like nobodies buisness.

That site shows how easy it is to pass oneselve off as a master, see this guy:
http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35391

ronin_musashi

In first place i meet mr grayston personly some years ago. We only should speak bad of one person when we meet personaly that person and know ALL the facts.
At the time i meet him i was already a black belt in two doferent systems.
The movements that Mr Grayston show me about his Ryu-ha, make me interest again for traditional karate, because i saw good techich on him and above all, efectiveness.
I am used to compete on MMA events across europe and my students had already some major titles in MMA, so we know when we see a good instructor.
I don´t care if he is 10 dan of his own ryu-ha or 15 dan like the bujinkan guys, what i know is that an occidental has so many or more capacity to create a martial art than an oriental.
For what i have seen western styles are much more stronger than the orientall ones.
I also understand that the success of this kind of persons is not good for the big senseis who rules their on traditional yards, and never know on their intire life what was a fight, and bla bla bla, the budo aspects, bla bla bla, the lineage, and bla bla bla pay the seminar and the grades.
I learn Mr grayston syllabus and never payed for a grade.
I grade my students and no one payed for that, he travell to anotjher countrys to perform seminars and wasn´t payed for that, i was there i saw, thats a fact.
Who grade funakoshi with the 10 dan?
The only thin that funakoshi do was transform the excelente okinawa kenpo in bad shotokan, a ryu-ha unusefull.
who grade Jigoro Kano?
The only thing he do was transform the excelente jujutsu in a lausy sport.
Who grade all the modern sokes of japan?
If a man had his yes like chinamens it could be a soke, but a man with eyes like westerns cannot?
Your lausy tradionall styles are worthless on any street fight, but i understand that you need to sell the oriental image of budo to make you fell stronger, live and sell an ilusion and crucified people who think diferently.
Very bad behavior for martial artists.
If you where men you will said that on his face or in the face of their sempai, like the old way. That show a good carachter and a good martial artist, but internet fighters??????!!!!!.....
Go home

Dyr

ronin_musashi wrote:

who grade Jigoro Kano?
The only thing he do was transform the excelente jujutsu in a lausy sport.

lol before he founded the kodokan jigoro kano held legitmate ranks in a number of different jujutsu systems, most notably, kito ryu and tenjin shinyo ryu. He didnt make up his training history and lie about his experience and grades.

takeda shingen

Victim

ronin musashi, you sound bogus and trying to invent yourself as a non english speaker. mr grayston's heritage is invented. i trained with him once and no one broke a sweat. he was at a seminar run by mr carslake of ju jutsu fame,a good martial artist but again whose heritage is invented. all part of a big back slapping organisation, hanshi no iinkai, now defunct since grayston was uncovered. ronin , you associated with either?

Unpossible

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If a man had his yes like chinamens

I wish I had some yes chinamen, my chinese girlfriend is always bossing me around. Maybe thats why they are yes men.

his Ryu-ha, make me interest again for traditional karate,

I don´t care if he is 10 dan of his own ryu-ha

so was it his own made up style? If it was then it wouldn't really be traditional karate, or maybe I really misunderstand karate.

Im sorry but your (mostly) incoherent ramblings didnt really sway me one way or the other.

Still in the end Im not sure I really care, I am not involved in karate and never plan to be. So I have never heard of this guy and will probably not remember him if I am ever introduced to him.

Valmont

ronin_musashi wrote:

I am used to compete on MMA events across europe and my students had already some major titles in MMA, so we know when we see a good instructor.

What MMA events were these?

ronin_musashi

Winds od Peresvit
EVT
Ultimate Full Contact

ronin_musashi

takeda shingen wrote:

ronin musashi, you sound bogus and trying to invent yourself as a non english speaker. mr grayston's heritage is invented. i trained with him once and no one broke a sweat. he was at a seminar run by mr carslake of ju jutsu fame,a good martial artist but again whose heritage is invented. all part of a big back slapping organisation, hanshi no iinkai, now defunct since grayston was uncovered. ronin , you associated with either?

I trained with him severall times and i think he is a good man.
He never charge me money for training or grades, or even to my students.
He give me back the proud of train again a tradictional style, proud that i have lost some years ago when i discouver the MMA.
I am really not english, so forgive me my bad language, it is hard to express me clearly on another language.
Since this problem start Mr. Grayston his uncontactable, would like to give him my support has a friend, thoes anyone know how can he be contacted?
For me grades are not important, because in the end, aikido, karate, kung fu, judo, all that tradocional styles will not work, on a real situation, so i believe this discussion has to do about money, perhaps Mr. Grayston start getting students, from the unusefull traditionalists, and thats the price he have to pay.
Why you say he lied about his on lineage, he always admit that shindo ryu was his own ryu-ha, and he was the soke.

SorGan

Victim

takeda shingen wrote:

ronin musashi, you sound bogus and trying to invent yourself as a non english speaker. mr grayston's heritage is invented. i trained with him once and no one broke a sweat. he was at a seminar run by mr carslake of ju jutsu fame,a good martial artist but again whose heritage is invented. all part of a big back slapping organisation, hanshi no iinkai, now defunct since grayston was uncovered. ronin , you associated with either?

mr joe carslake in my experence is a decient down to earth instructor, that said out of ignorance i cannot comment on his heritage as you do, nore would i wish to.

john kavanagh

ronin_musashi wrote:

I am used to compete on MMA events across europe and my students had already some major titles in MMA, so we know when we see a good instructor.

ok, i'll bite

i've also done a wee bit of this MMA malarky and i coached a couple of guys up to championship level.

so who are you? you've already said which events you've been on so i'll be interested. and who are your students? which 'major' mma titles did they win?

Dianeotherday

Victim

Sorry to necro this. I appreciate that the original post is over a year old but just to mention...

Steve awarded those grades to himself. Tanaka Meiji-kyoshi does not exist. He is a fictional character who Steve invented. He literally doesn't exist outside of Steves imagination. There is no such person.

Steve didn't start training in 1964 at the age of 8, he started training when he was in his 30's. (34 I think he was). And he never loved martial arts in the first place. He only saw it as a way to make money.

He awarded all of those grades to himself. The ones that were given to him by other people were done on a 'I'll give you a grade if you give me one' basis.

Tanaka Meiji does not exist. Go look for him online. He's not a real person, Steve made up that name. There never was a Tanaka Meiji. Steve made him up.

Lab_Mouse

Haha Tanaka,very funny we know it's you!!!:rolleyes:

yomchi

Dianeotherday wrote: »

Sorry to necro this. I appreciate that the original post is over a year old but just to mention...

Steve awarded those grades to himself. Tanaka Meiji-kyoshi does not exist. He is a fictional character who Steve invented. He literally doesn't exist outside of Steves imagination. There is no such person.

Steve didn't start training in 1964 at the age of 8, he started training when he was in his 30's. (34 I think he was). And he never loved martial arts in the first place. He only saw it as a way to make money.

He awarded all of those grades to himself. The ones that were given to him by other people were done on a 'I'll give you a grade if you give me one' basis.

Tanaka Meiji does not exist. Go look for him online. He's not a real person, Steve made up that name. There never was a Tanaka Meiji. Steve made him up.

2009 - 2006 = 3.

Christ.

Locked.