2 not so gud plays?

FullOf..IT

No Stats / reads on villians


First Hand...

Is this an +ev move?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($105.40)
SB ($35)
Hero ($309.88)
UTG ($372.96)
MP ($273.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, A. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP raises to $7, Button calls $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $5, UTG folds.

Flop: ($24) 2, 9, 5(3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($24) 3(3 players)
Hero bets $15, MP calls $15, Button folds.

River: ($54) J(2 players)
Hero bets $40, MP calls $40.

Final Pot: $134

Second Hand

Whats he got and how should I play each street?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($64.70)
Hero ($307.70)
SB ($198)
BB ($178.05)
UTG ($286.35)
MP ($365.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, Q. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($23) T, 4, 6(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15, UTG calls $15.

Turn: ($53) 2(2 players)
UTG bets $15, Hero calls $15.

River: ($83) 6(2 players)
UTG bets $30, Hero calls $30.

Final Pot: $143

DeadParrot

some very loose play there mate, imo.

hand one fold preflop, as played, you are beating nothing on the river but a complete bluff so why bet, personally Id check it down

hand 2 strange raise on the button, top pair,mid kicker on the flop with the flush draw out. Flop bet, well the way you played it preflop, you might have bet more but $15 is alright i suppose, though you price in the flush draw.
Flush draw fills on the turn,
Im folding the river tbh

Ste05

It all depends on your image,

In hand 1, I presume you don't have an image established yet, seeing as you have no reads, the turn bet is fine IMO, you are both deep enough to build the pot plus your fold equity makes this +EV IMO, people will surely have different takes on this turn bet, but I raise with good hands and drawing hands and air, each is needed to make the others pay off, [All IMHO].

On the river, this is very opponent dependant, it's quite a nice card to bluff, as the J misses most of the Villains turn range, but for all we know he could be a donkey who can't fold AJ or a PP, that's why I prefer not to bluff unknowns, too often.

Hand 2: Again it's all about your image and how loose you've been playing, and what sort of player the Villain is, I can't say any more than that unfortunately, some times I'll play the hand this way, sometimes I'll raise the turn, sometimes I'll fold the turn, sometimes I'll fold the river, etc. etc. etc.

Flushdraw

Hand 1 : Fold preflop. Why would you want to be OOP with A8 in a raised pot. Unless the flop comes 88x you're more than likely behind.

Hand 2 : Either fold or raise the turn, dont call. UTG may be just making a blocking bet to stop you betting and it worked. If you raise, UTG may fold but if he calls your reraise, 90% of the time he will check the river to you and then you can reevaluate your hand and decide the best move.

Ste05

Flushdraw wrote:

Hand 1 : Fold preflop. Why would you want to be OOP with A8 in a raised pot. Unless the flop comes 88x you're more than likely behind.

Did you even look at the Pot odds??

I call here every day, you're getting 3.8:1 Pot odds, (2+7+7+1+2:5 = 3.8:1), and when the UTG limper calls, as he normally will, we'll be getting 4.8:1. A suited Ace, are you mad?? And BTW you're hoping for a flush or flush draw. 88x is a bonus.

Flushdraw

Ste05 wrote:

Did you even look at the Pot odds??

I call here every day, you're getting 3.8:1 Pot odds, (2+7+7+1+2:5 = 3.8:1), and when the UTG limper calls, as he normally will, we'll be getting 4.8:1. A suited Ace, are you mad?? And BTW you're hoping for a flush or flush draw. 88x is a bonus.

Q.1 If the flop comes A high do you bet or stay in for a bet??
Q.2 If the flop comes 8 high do you bet or stay in for a bet??
Q.3 If the flop comes 2 hearts, how much are you willing to pay to try and hit the flush??

I wouldnt say i'd call here everyday. All 3 situautions above are probably -EV but depends on a number of factors as you now. Generally i fold preflop in the blinds. In late position i'd probably call every day..

ianmc38

Hand 1 is total spew. I don't know what hand you're trying to represent.

Hand 2 raising QTs on the button is standard. Rest of the hand looks ok, but as Ste said, my turn and river action will depend on various factors.

Ste05

Flushdraw wrote:

Q.1 If the flop comes A high do you bet or stay in for a bet??

Depends on how much it is, who does the betting, and what my image is, it's 5 handed so we have a little bit of equity in the hand, but I'm hoping to check it down, and I don't give it a second thought when I fold it to action.

Flushdraw wrote:

Q.2 If the flop comes 8 high do you bet or stay in for a bet??

Again depends, but again I have no problems folding either.

Flushdraw wrote:

Q.3 If the flop comes 2 hearts, how much are you willing to pay to try and hit the flush??

2 hearts, I fold fairly quick, 2 Spades now is a different matter, (:p couldn't help myself), and again it depends on how much the bet is, what the flop is, who the bettor is, did anyone else call, etc. etc. I might re-raise, I might call, there's so many other criteria to consider that it's impossible to answer this question.

Flushdraw wrote:

I wouldnt say i'd call here everyday. All 3 situautions above are probably -EV but depends on a number of factors as you now. Generally i fold preflop in the blinds. In late position i'd probably call every day..

If you fold a suited Ace getting almost 5:1 with both yourself and 2 other players in the hand stacks of over c. 150BB's, I think you're missing alot of value. (UTG folded here, but usually they'll call with the SAVAGE odds he's getting).

Once you don't routinely get stacked with A8 on an A high board, or on an 8 high board, I think this is a hugely +EV spot to be in. And if there's a chance you'll end up putting in 150BB's on either an A or 8 high board thinking you'll normally be good, then it's probably not a good call.

Flushdraw

Ste05 wrote:

2 hearts, I fold fairly quick, 2 Spades now is a different matter, (:p couldn't help myself)

They look like hearts on my screen, DOH! :-)

Ste05

Flushdraw wrote:

They look like hearts on my screen, DOH! :-)

LOL, ye I assumed so... but still couldn't stop myself... Apologies...

EDIT: Dammit!! I just realised this was my 2001st post, I was trying to save my 2000th for something decent. Ah well.... I don't even know which one that was now...

Flushdraw

Ste05 wrote:

EDIT: Dammit!! I just realised this was my 2001st post, I was trying to save my 2000th for something decent.:(

Ok Ok......i still owe you $20, sorry E20 from the boards last longest bet. PM me your details later and how i transfer cash and i'll send it over to make up for it! I'd offer you a heads-up game so you can take it off me as a challenge but you'd probably buckle under the pressure lol!

In work now so i can hardly read boards and defo cant receive PMs. Be home about 1030

Ste05

Flushdraw wrote:

Ok Ok......i still owe you $20, sorry E20 from the boards last longest bet. PM me your details later and how i transfer cash and i'll send it over to make up for it! I'd offer you a heads-up game so you can take it off me as a challenge but you'd probably buckle under the pressure lol!

In work now so i can hardly read boards and defo cant receive PMs. Be home about 1030

Oh right, I had forgotten about that, it's only $20, I'll take the HU challenge if you want. I'll send you a PM,

Unless you want to wait for the boards beers,

BTW. Is this still happening??

Flushdraw

Ste05 wrote:

Oh right, I had forgotten about that, it's only $20, I'll take the HU challenge if you want. I'll send you a PM,

Unless you want to wait for the boards beers,

BTW. Is this still happening??

I never forget about my debts, just never got around to fixing you up yet...

Your guess is as good as mine about the beers. I think theres a plan for the boards heads up challenge semis and final but we'll have to wait and see!

bubbleking

Hand 1:the bet on the turn is fine although cant really see what hand you are trying to represent on the river so id check the river and surrender to a bet.

Hand 2: the check call by the villain on the flop followed by leading the turn would suggest a set or a flush or at the very least 2 pair either way i think you were behind and should have folded at this stage.

phantom_lord

bubbleking wrote:

Hand 1:the bet on the turn is fine although cant really see what hand you are trying to represent on the river so id check the river and surrender to a bet.

Hand 2: the check call by the villain on the flop followed by leading the turn would suggest a set or a flush or at the very least 2 pair either way i think you were behind and should have folded at this stage.

Welcome back.

bubbleking

phantom_lord wrote:

Welcome back.

its been to long time to get busy