The Evil of Greed

FullOf..IT

Was up $500 today but decided to go back as i had been playing well.

I have only sat down on the table (I actually think that both hands were within my first 6 hands)

Not one stat on anyone.

What should my line be on both hands?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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Hero ($111.35)
UTG ($214.09)
MP ($95.90)
CO ($17.50)
Button ($94.20)
SB ($312.34)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG raises to $4, 4 folds, Hero raises to $14, UTG calls $11.

Flop: ($30.50) T, K, 3(2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG raises to $45, Hero calls $81.35 (All-In), UTG calls $51.35.

Turn: ($223.20) 2(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($223.20) J(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $223.20

Results in white below:
Hero has As Ah (one pair, aces).
UTG has Td Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins $223.20.




Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

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Hero ($95.50)
BB ($215.09)
UTG ($96.40)
MP ($20)
CO ($91.55)
Button ($231.34)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, Button raises to $4, Hero (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) 9, 4, 9(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6.5, Hero raises to $18, Button calls $11.50.

Turn: ($45) 3(2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button raises to $105, Hero calls $53.50 (All-In).

River: ($223.50) 4(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $223.50

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Kh (two pair, kings and nines).
Button has Tc 9c (full house, nines full of fours).
Outcome: Button wins $223.50.

cardshark202

Hand 1: Standard
EDIT: Would sometimes check this flop for pot control.

Hand 2: No need to raise flop here. I would call flop and re-evaluate on the turn.
EDIT: Oops didn't see you didn't re-raise preflop. Do that please.

Hectorjelly

Hand 1 is badish, you are going to beaten here a lot, or up against a monster draw so theres no harm in folding.

Hand 2 is played really badly. NO reraise preflop is bad. flop play is bad. turn play is bad. A guy with JJ or QQ is going to be scared by your play. \s

You will get much better feedback if you dont include results

Ste05

Hectorjelly wrote:

You will get much better feedback if you dont include results

IM(drunken)O Hand 1 is foldable but without any reads I'd just call it a cooler...

Hand 2: Re-Raise PF - Especially after doing so already within the previous 3/4 hands...

I'm not sober enough to decide on how I'd play the flop, but I definitely wouldn't C/R - Lead out or check/call....

TacT

hand 1 -- personally, I'd make it $20 or $25 to go here to protect your hand.

hand 2 -- reraise prf

I'd rather be taking down a small pot than losing a big one, title of the post says it all really.

luckyvegas7

hand 1 -- personally, I'd make it $20 or $25 to go here to protect your hand

isnt this 25c/50c?.....maybe at 1/2 a re raise to 20/25....u want action not represent your hand...

TacT

UTG has raised to $4, we know he has a good hand, now do we want to give him a chance to catch and break our better hand or protect it? A raise for a quarter of your buyin will shut him down pronto, we win his $4 and play goes on.

As it stands we lose our stack, so, why not make it $20 or $25 and announce the fact we have KK/AA and get him to fold? Moving in on him is my option 2 if I think he'll call a big raise to try and catch to stack me. I see it day in and day out at the micro limits, people making small reraises with KK/AA only to let their opponents call and stack them with a set (not saying that was the case here).

Why not let them know they're playing for their stack preflop, pick up the chump change and move on? You can always find a better spot to stack someone with your big pair instead of letting them in so you can say goodbye to yours should they hit.

Besides, what does our reraise to $14 tell our opponent? More often than not that we have a big pair, maybe AK(s) depending on the player.

Sangre

To be blunt Tact, I think that is absolutely terrible advice for 25/50c. The amount of value you lose on your big pairs with that advice is crazy. Maybe it would be fine in a tournament but in a cash game where most of the play comes post-flop, its just bad sense it always try and invest 1/4 of your stack pre flop every time you've QQ+. You basically told him to reraise to get him to fold, in the off-chance you lose. With AA we are 80% favourites against everyother hand, the last thing we want him to do is fold.
Why not just push it in pre-flop to any raise? You'll be committed to most flops anyway.

1st hand should have been a fold to reraise. The guy raised utg and flat called a re-raise. His range is likely 99-QQ imo, so this is a terrible flop for you. The only thing you could hope for on that flop is AK or QQ/JJ (unlikely with action and overcard), you're going to be behind far too often here.

For hand you need to reraise to narrow the buttons range. Assuming he is first to bet, his raise to open the pot is very wide (I know mine is). The amount of time I raise on the button and crack an overpair who flat calls from the big blind is scary. So re-raise because you're OOP and want him to drop total junk so you can assume he doesnt have two pair on rag flop.

staringelf

don't agree with any of the replys regarding the first hand here. the second hand, everyone's analysis is pretty much spot on - you played it REALY badly, you should have raised pre flop and folded to the turn re-raise.

first hand you played fine (apart from maybe bet sizes but definately fine in terms of deciding to continue with the hand or not) tho imo. i can't believe anyone could advcate a fold at any point in this hand without a MAJOR read.

preflop: you correctlt re-raised to $14 - you could argur that maybe a re-raise to $18/$20 would be better but i don't mind the smaller raise - you want action and to not give away that you have a big hand just yet.

flop: you bet $15 - a little small (only half the pot). there's a lot of draws out there and you want to make someone pay to hit them. i would have bet about $24 (about 3/4 of the pot).

at this point you get re-raised. well, that could be for a number of reasons:

he might sense weakness with your flop bet of $15 - unlikely but more than possible.

he might have a strong kind and is trying to find out where he stands/ take it down right now. this is the most likely option. i'd say either AK or KQ.

he could have a flush draw, or be on a total bluff both of which you're ahead of.

the thing is, are you really folding here to a re-raise? that is extremely weak if so, especially with no reads. its a .50/1 game ffs. you're ahead here 90% of the time. if you throw aces away here i guarantee you're losing money in the long run.

so what are your options?

fold? really weak.

flat call? WEEEEAK. you give him a chance to hit his draws, and the money is probably going in on the turn or river anyway.

your only option is to push here.

Sangre

I agree with staringelf about the bet size on the flop, you should me aiming for between 70-90% of flop.
Tbh, I can't see the villian reraising the OOP with a marginal hand like a draw or top pair. Firstly OP reraised (although that doesn't mean much) and he lead in on the flop. A reraise by the villian is only ever going to be called by a hand he is dominated by.
I might have just called the reraised and re-evalutated on the turn, hoping to check it down. Most villians would hate a flat call and would probably slowdown with-out 2 pair+ imo. If they keep firing hard I think you can let it go.

Also, remove results in first post, deffo helps on advice front.

TacT

I should have made myself clearer. I wasn't suggesting he should make that play every time. In these circumstances though, utg is announcing to us he has a damn good hand with his healthy raise. My question to utg in a case like this is, how good? If he's got QQ/KK then more often than not he's going to a) at least flat call for the flop but more hopefully b) stick the rest of his stack in there and it's happy days.

Sangre

Don't really this disagree with you there then. If someone opens utg with 8xbb and I've AA/KK and I'll push all in (if there has been other callers) or jack it up as well as I'm OOP.

Thought you meant how you'd generally play big pairs.