What you gonna do?

BigCityBanker

MTT blinds 75/150 UTG limps, another limper, you play for 150 with Q 10 , BB plays also. Flop cmes J Q K (2 hearts). BB cheks, UTG chks, Limper 1 makes it 500, you call with Q 10 folds around to UTG who pushes all in 4250 (showing signs of frustration having made a terrible play c.20mins earlier) . initial raiser folds - its up to you - whats u gonna do about it?

MTT blinds 150/300 - UTG makes it 1500 to play, MP calls, You are big blind and complete for another 1200 with 7 2 off suit. Flop comes 4 4 2. you check, UTG pushes all in for c.6k, MP folds, what you gonna do with your 7 2 off suit - you have witnessed pusher play like a rabied goat c. 40mins earlier.

MTT blinds 200/400 - UTG makes it 1400, you have AdKd and c.15k in chips, you flat call as UTG has been playing like he wants to go to the cash table despite having a good stack and feel if you hit you could squeeze some ships out of him. Player in MP pushes all in for c.6k, UTG flat calls and has enuf behind to cover you - whats your move? you feel if you push you are 1.01 to be called - you also feel that you may be playing for the side pot but really you are unsure about player in MP as he looks like he is playing for chips against a player who wants to move to cash so your range on him is anything from mid pocket pair upwards. Do you fold or push or call - at this stage you only have 1400 in the pot?

ty.

El Stuntman

BigCityBanker wrote:

MTT blinds 75/150 UTG limps, another limper, you play for 150 with Q 10 , BB plays also. Flop cmes J Q K (2 hearts). BB cheks, UTG chks, Limper 1 makes it 500, you call with Q 10 folds around to UTG who pushes all in 4250 (showing signs of frustration having made a terrible play c.20mins earlier) . initial raiser folds - its up to you - whats u gonna do about it?

fold

BigCityBanker wrote:

MTT blinds 150/300 - UTG makes it 1500 to play, MP calls, You are big blind and complete for another 1200 with 7 2 off suit. Flop comes 4 4 2. you check, UTG pushes all in for c.6k, MP folds, what you gonna do with your 7 2 off suit - you have witnessed pusher play like a rabied goat c. 40mins earlier.

fold pre-flop, as played fold THE HAMMER

BigCityBanker wrote:

MTT blinds 200/400 - UTG makes it 1400, you have AdKd and c.15k in chips, you flat call as UTG has been playing like he wants to go to the cash table despite having a good stack and feel if you hit you could squeeze some ships out of him. Player in MP pushes all in for c.6k, UTG flat calls and has enuf behind to cover you - whats your move? you feel if you push you are 1.01 to be called - you also feel that you may be playing for the side pot but really you are unsure about player in MP as he looks like he is playing for chips against a player who wants to move to cash so your range on him is anything from mid pocket pair upwards. Do you fold or push or call - at this stage you only have 1400 in the pot?ty.

I shove

5starpool

Hand 1: Fold
Hand 2: Why get clever preflop? Calling a raise OOP with the hammer? Fold. He may well have only 2 overcards but there is a lot that beats you out there.
Hand 3: I hate this type of spot, but I probably push. Sometimes if I knw the players in the pot well I might be convinced to fold, but unless I know something specific about these guys I call.

El Stuntman

5starpool wrote:

Hand 2: Why get clever preflop? .

whatever else this may be categorised as, it sure ain't clever....

ntlbell

I rush out and ask them to exchange your poker book as there is obviously typo's in it.

Fold

Fold pre flop

If I'm playing I'm pushing.

shoutman

First one is a straight enough fold for me,

second one is more tricky, firstly i dont know what you are doing calling the raise with 7 2, secondly the chap is overbetting the pot but he could be doing this with a big pair hoping you have a smaller pair thinking that he is just buying the pot. Otherwise he may have AK/AQ type hand where you are ahead. But for me its a fold, and a promise to myself never to call a raise with 7 2 again, unless every single person has called a min raise and you are on bb so you keep it in the family and call hoping to hit two pair or better on the flop.

third hand player in mp might have caught up on utg's willingness to move onto the cash tables too so might have woken up with a monster and felt the best way to get money out of him is to push right now, otherwise it could be a squeeze play...
I probably fold here too that said I know i am far too passive in making these kinda calls.

Norwich Fan Rob

hand one, fold pre flop, fold on the flop, fold now.

hand two, calling a 1200 raise out of position with 72 off, are u mad.

hand three, dont limp AK, as it stands, push.

phantom_lord

Fold.
Fold preflop, flop.
Hmmm, push.

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

hand one, fold pre flop

You wouldn't limp q10 preflop?

ollyk1

Ah so now I know who you are. Did you take down the SE game last night in the end?

You do take a lot of people off flops to be fair to you and its one of your big strengths I feel thats' why you are in there playing all sorts of hands having said that I think you overdid it last night.

Hand 1 Is a fold or raise for me preflop and I'm leaning towards a fold to the push because your outs are unlikely to be clean and you aren't getting the price. I expect to see AK or KQ here a lot.

Hand 2.

I hadn't played with the guy who had pushed all-in earlier in the night but despite saying he was on tilt and appearing to be ready to push he still waited 20 minutes to play this hand and he either had AK/AQ or a pocket pair here. You aren't a monster favourite and I actually felt at the time it was 80% likely to be a pocket pair. I didn't like the call as it really crippled your stack whioch you didn't mention in the post. It forced you into push or fold mode on the next flop you played and that was a big downside.

Preflop wasn't something I'd ever do but you have a very different style and to be fair you put the guy on Ax/Kx typs hands and you followed through on the conviction which I admired but it wasn't the right spot imho.

Hand 3

I figure one of them has a pocket pair 99+ and the other a middling ace AJ+ reducing your outs. I lean towards a fold because your stack is very playable and you don't need to gamble as that game is very winnable without gambling given the spot you are in if I felt the big stack was the more likely to have Ax then I might push...maybe....:)

marius

1) Fold - I would guess you are well behind here. You have no need to take the chance here, you have only comitted what - 650 to the pot, just let it go and get it in in a far better spot.

2) Fold here too I think, its either 2 overs or an overpair, overpair cripples you, two overs has a good few outs.

3) I might be tempted to just call here - see the flop and decide then. If the flop is bad you can fold and still have a relatively playable stack - if you hit an A or K you can go on from there....

BigCityBanker

Ollyk1 - im not who you think I am - I put these up here from the perspective of the person who has to act or try to explain an action.

ntlbell - I have never bought or read a poker book in my life. nap.

Hand 1 - I wouldnt limp in that position with Q 10 - I was the pusher and I had 9h Th meaning I flopped a strait, along with a flush draw and a straight flush draw. Now I know not everyone would push here but i am happy to (thats another argument) - anyway a 9 came on the board and I had to split the pot with him. Apparently it was a great call???

Hand 2 - I was UTG and made it 1500 with TdTs. I would not complete for 1200 with 7 2 off - if blinds were 25/50 i wouldnt complete 25 from SB with 7 2 off ffs.... anyway I was called and took down the pot.

Hand 3 - Ultimately AdKd pushed and was called - pushed to play for the side pot and wasnt really concerned with the main pot - reckoned there were chips up for grabs and this was a prime opportunity to secure them before somebody else would. In any event UTG had called with Th7h, pusher had done so with AcKc - board came full of clubs - AdKd won the side pot. If any other player had called from UTG then I would have laid down without the slightest hesitation - in this case alone I was playing for his chips - anything else was gonna be a bonus.

I put these up as the play puzzeled me? The guy with 7 2 (who can clearly play cards btw) in hand 2 did get his stack crippled by calling but he got it back in the space of 4 hands. in hand 3 he was chip leader and UTG with Th 7h - my assumption that cash games were on his mind were clearly correct - in fairness that could be seen if you were clutching a long cane... This brings me to ask why enter the tourney if u are going to get out for cash even if you are chip leader - why not stay at home for an extra hour or so and drink tea only to arrive in when the cash games are starting.

luckylucky

phantom_lord wrote:

Fold.
Fold preflop, flop.
Hmmm, push.




You wouldn't limp q10 preflop?

I agree with Rob, QTo is a trouble hand imo to call a few limpers with - (unless you were the small blind?) I'd much rather have something like 55, if the Queen Ten is suited maybe just maybe in a weak loose game I might think about it.

And that call with 72o in The BB is crazy imo - not matter what tells the guy had on someone.

ollyk1

BigCityBanker wrote:

Ollyk1 - im not who you think I am - I put these up here from the perspective of the person who has to act or try to explain an action.

Ah I have you now.

Yeah I was confident you had the goods in that second hand and were playing up to the maniac image from earlier but he made a read you had AK /AQ and went with it. There is something I like about that. I still would have folded preflop but at least he#s not afraid to try something different!! lol

I've played with the guy a few times and he always seems to get bored in tournies. I'm not sure about his cash game play as I've never played cash with him but he strikes me as a guy who just plays live for some fun and doesn't take it too seriously. Probably an online winner or else independently wealthy. Either way the money doesn't matter to him and thats for sure.

phantom_lord

luckylucky wrote:

maybe just maybe in a weak loose game I might think about it.

Maybe I've been playing in too many of these lately :rolleyes: