What's the right turn play?

NickyOD

Having read quite a lot of posts in the forum about difficult cash game situations it seems a lot of them are faced on the turn, particularly when the board is ugly. One play I've noticed fuzzbox recommend quite a lot (but correct me if I'm wrong) is to CRAI all in on the turn when OOP with overpairs.

Obviously this isn't always a good idea depending on the villain, especially if he likes to slowplay big hands or if he can be in there preflop with hands you wouldn't expect.


How does a CRAI look in this hand? Villain is 25/12/2.7 after 185 hands which is pretty tight.

Party Poker ($2 no limit). Hand converted by Check Raised hand converter

HERO ($222.35) [ ] (BB)
UTG ($200.00) (UTG)
CO ($260.35) (CO)
SB ($122.10) (SB)
BTN ($197.50) (BTN)

Preflop (5 players):
1 fold.
CO raises $4.00.
BTN calls ($4.00) [2.75:1].
SB calls ($3.00) [4.67:1].
HERO raises $16.00.
1 fold.
BTN calls ($14.00) [3.14:1].
1 fold.

Flop (22 bets ($44) in pot, 2 players):

HERO bets $30.00.
BTN calls ($30.00) [3.47:1].

Turn (52 bets ($104) in pot, 2 players):

HERO checks.
BTN bets $70.00.

cardshark202

I would fold here. A tight player cold-calls a raise and a re-raise, calls a 2/3rd pot bet on the flop and leads the turn when the flush gets there. I expect to see a set or better here.

Hectorjelly

Either check fold here or bet fold. Check raising is crazy

fuzzbox

Ya, I check/fold or bet/fold in this spot.

Spots where I CRAI are when dudes float me a lot, and tend to bet the turn when I check to them .... so sometimes they have me beat, but they wont call the turn if they dont, but they will tend to bet the turn regardless.
CRAI gets extra monies from them when I am ahead, and helps make up for the times when I'm behind.

This aint such a good spot tho.

Gholimoli

Nicky i can never comment on the HH you post because of the format you post them.
i cant see suits or anything ,all i can see is blank boxes.
any chance you could tell me what the hand is ?

ntlbell

Gholimoli wrote:

Nicky i can never comment on the HH you post because of the format you post them.
i cant see suits or anything ,all i can see is blank boxes.
any chance you could tell me what the hand is ?

Do you have the same problem from home?

Hero holds QQ

Flop

2d 8s 4s

Turn 5s

NickyOD

I made a mistake checking here. I should have lead out. But after I checked and he'd bet it occurred to me that I must have the best hand.

This guy is tight preflop, tighter than me. He's probably not playing any unpaired hand to my big preflop reraise except maybe sometimes AQ, and I just didn't think it was possible for him to have AQ of spades here. Why would he bet out so strong with the nuts on the turn? That left a flopped set, which was possible because he could easily be panic betting but this isn't the kind of player that slowplays sets especially when I've shown so much strength preflop. I fgured he had 66/77/99/TT and called teh flop in thehope of me having AK so I pushed. He folded.

ianmc38

Not a big fan of your line here. I'd normally fire again on the turn. I don't really like check-folding here too much as this could easily become exploitable. Bet fold is far better IMHO.

marius

Gholimoli wrote:

Nicky i can never comment on the HH you post because of the format you post them.
i cant see suits or anything ,all i can see is blank boxes.
any chance you could tell me what the hand is ?

Yeah - im the same, Daitho explained it last night - your work has checkraised.com on its list of filtered sites, hence the images are not displaying.

NickyOD

lol!I try to make HH easier to read and now people can't read them at all.