Some Fitz Omaha €50 hands

5starpool

These hands happened over the course of a 5 hour session. I will not post them in the order they happened necessarily. Opinions please.

Table is a mix of some decent players, some gamble gamble types and one or two downright poor players at times. There was no 100 game last night, so a couple of them were playing here.

Hand 1
Me: AhAdQh8h - ~450
Opponent - ~500 - loose player, plays most hands. Knows what he is doing definitely but is a gambler.

Preflop I make it 6 from UTG+2. 6 to the flop. This is the 3rd hand in a row I have raised preflop. I have been playing my usual game -relatively tight, bets when I hit the flop or hit big draws. I have been up and down between €100 - €800. There are about 6 stacks of €500+, and a couple of €1000+.

Flop (~35) KhJs4c

Checked around. Turn 2h. I pot it, 2 callers.

River (140) Ac.

I checked, button bet €100.

I?

Hand 2

Me: ~185
Opponent: ~300 Vietnamense guy, who hit a ridiculous draw on the last hand to take down the pot (not against me). Got all his money in earlier against 2 opponents holding bottom 2 and a J high flush draw on the flop. Doesn't play Omaha in the Fitz much. Has only raised preflop once in the hour he has been playing. He is sitting to my right.

I have TcJdJsQh and just flat called a preflop raise to €6. 5 players to the flop.

Flop (30) Ac8h9h. Loose player with about 1500 in front bets the pot, 1 caller, then the preflop raiser makes it 150 to go. I hate the fact that I have only one heart here, and I am 99.9% certain that the guy to my right has AAxx. Whats the move?

Hand 3:

This is just a whinge hand from me really. I calla preflop raise to a standard 5 with 667Tr. Big stack with a tight reraising range makes it 30 to go. 1 caller before it gets to me, 2 to act after. I fold, 2 other callers.

Flop comes 6A6 (I hate life at this point). Pot is checked to the river where the reraiser preflop raises a 50 bet to 200, and shows AA after the other player folds. I had ~500 before that hand, and would certainly have doubled up. I hate Omaha. :mad: Does anyone think that hand is worth €30 preflop in a game as loose as this?

Sorry, that last one wasn't really relevant, but I am still upset about it.

Thoughts?

ianmc38

Hand 1: Depends on the villain. I don't think he'd be waiting until now to bet or raise a set on this draw heavy board. Mostly a fold here as we'll see QT alot. It would also depend on whether he value bets or just says pot everytime.

Hand 2: If villain has AAhxxh you are absolutely crippled. I fold here as you're likely drawing to 6 outs.

Hand 3: Results oriented....

careca

I'd agree with Ian I'd probably fold the first one and def would the second.
1st hand, what hand is anyone calling your turn bet with ? If they have a set or two pair, surely they repot it to get rid of the draws. I reckon Q10 or the bottom straight (this would be my guess as he didn't bet the full pot).

Third hand, would depend on how I'm doing and how much I've had to drink but I've played worse in there

ollyk1

I'm going to give my opinion Dom just so that I can see how wrong I am when the omaha experts come along and tell it how it is.

Hand 1

I really want to fold here. Everything bar the flush draw (of which you had both the nut and second nut draw) has hit. It doesn't look like anyone else has an underset and is this guy gamblor enough to bet some two pair piece of crap on the river nothing hand when he might win on a showdown?? I'd have to have seen him regularly gamble betting the river on complete bluffs in omaha before I'd lean towards a call.

Hand 2

Clear fold for me. If you were both deeper then you can probably justify a call. Only 9 outs and he has a redraw against you. It would want to be pretty deep.

Edit: Sorry I think I miscounted the outs.

Hand 3

Bad beat thread!!

In all seriousness you'd have to hit the flop this hard and have him have that exact hand before you could be fairly confident of making cash. I fold it in isolation but this really depends how the table is playing is too. But as described you have to fold.

Daithio

Just started playing omaha recently so not really sure how valuable my opinions are, but I'll give it a shot.

Hand 1

I don't think I pot the turn. In such a loose game you're bound to get callers, and you're just building the pot which you'll be playing out of position on the river, with not that many cards to hit that you'll be happy with. The way it played out, I think the call on the river is completely dependant on the player who bet from the button. Is he the sort that will attempt to take down the pot if the other players have shown weakness? If it's checked twice to me there on the button I bet with any four, but that's just me, I don't think all players would. It really depends on the player.

Hand 2

I think it's a fold. Not that much invested, sure you have outs but realistically you're only going to get to see the turn, so you're not getting great odds for the stack sizes.

Hand 3 i

Definitely a fold. If you start calling with rubbish like that for 15 BB's preflop you'll lose in the long run.

fuzzbox

Hand 1 - check the flop when there are 6 to the flop, and this is the flop. You dont have much of a hand here.

As played, you are supposed to fold now, because he has QT virtually every time.

Hand 2
A fold is best here, drawing thin in the first place ... not to mention the dreaded redraw.

Hand 3
What EVER.

5starpool

Ok, here is what I did.

Hand 1: I thought for ages and nearly called as I think it is possible he thought I had just missed a draw or had 2 pair and couldn't call. I folded and showed and he showed 356 for the bottom wrap.

Hand 2: I didn't think the other 2 would call a push from me, and knew that the other guy had AA, and hoping that he didn't have hearts I pushed hoping for 12 clean outs. The other 2 folded, and I did have 12 clean outs, but missed. His AA held up. I had missed other big draws or hit and got reoutdrawn several times recently. This was my last hand of the night.

Hand 3: I know this shoudn't have been posted, but I couldn't help myself. Daithio - it was worse than that - it was 30BB's as 50 Omaha is 1-1 in the Fitz

5starpool

fuzzbox wrote:

Hand 1 - check the flop when there are 6 to the flop, and this is the flop. You dont have much of a hand here.

Hnad 1 was checked around on the flop. I potted the turn with nut hearts and a gutshot.

RoundTower

fold/fold/fold. Hand 1 is a call against some players but not against who I think it is.

fuzzbox

5starpool wrote:

Hnad 1 was checked around on the flop. I potted the turn with nut hearts and a gutshot.

Sorry - my reading comprehension sux.

I thought you were checking the turn and a dude bet, and you had lone AA (not AA with nut hearts and a gutshot).

Its still a tough call, but one I would make sometimes. Perhaps c/r the turn? You dont lose much value if its checked around.

5starpool

RoundTower wrote:

fold/fold/fold. Hand 1 is a call against some players but not against who I think it is.

Hand 1 was against an asian guy (pakistani/indian or similiar origin, but been here a long time) and I have seen him play a few times, but not a regular by any means.

fuzzbox wrote:

Perhaps c/r the turn? You dont lose much value if its checked around.]
This is always an option, but with the pot at only €30 and with a good few outs I would not have got called on the river if I hit. Not the best of reasons to bet, but that and the chance of taking it down there seemed like a good enough reason to me to bet.

William Money

Hi Dom,
Things dont seem to be running for you of late. I know the feeling!!!

Hand 1 - I would have limped pre and got in a max raise (we are assuminmg some kind soul makes it 5 or so after you limp)

In the 50 game you get at least 5/6 callers for 5 euro not good for the aces

I would probably have bet the flop but not wild about the position.


Again its one of those you have to be there situations.

Second hand - I like your moxy here but it is a little marginal. I would sooner get my money in when I am ahead.

Ayway talk to you Friday night if youre in.

Bandana boy

Hand 1 you know your beat though it is tough i maybe limp pre hoping for a decent reraising opportunity to narrow the feild as stands you are 100% of the time behind

Hand 2 if you had a heart it would be a push and with your short stack i might push sometimes but really it should be a fold

Hand 3 you should call but also call 30BB with every hand in fact never look at your cards before the flop is dealt

5starpool

William Money wrote:

Hi Dom,
Things dont seem to be running for you of late. I know the feeling!!!

Hand 1 - I would have limped pre and got in a max raise (we are assuminmg some kind soul makes it 5 or so after you limp)

In the 50 game you get at least 5/6 callers for 5 euro not good for the aces

I would probably have bet the flop but not wild about the position.


Again its one of those you have to be there situations.

Second hand - I like your moxy here but it is a little marginal. I would sooner get my money in when I am ahead.

Ayway talk to you Friday night if youre in.

I did hit a poker in one hand that I did play Ronan, and for a *huge* pot of 60 quid, so I can't say that again for a while.

I should be in Friday alright.

bell_boy

Does anyone like a 1/4 pot blocking bet on the river for hand 1?