Poker Situation

Degag

Was playing with a few mates recently. One guy goes all in and i turn over my cards showing him what i have with the intention of getting a read off him (I actually have every intention of calling him). My friend gets totally annoyed with this (to the point that he's getting up to leave) as he says that when i intentionally showed him my cards, my hand was dead. As for as i'm concerned i did nothing wrong as he was all in, although it wasn't very ethical. Just wondering if anyone knows a ruling for this?

5starpool

Different rulings in different places. Usually in a tournament you will either not be allowed to do this, or get a warning if you do it that you will be disqualified next time. Cash games are less rigid, but it is not encouraged, and depending on the location you might be given a penalty.

LuckyLloyd

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ollyk1

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Personally speaking, I believe that things such as speech play, exposing cards to get a read, intentionally betting out of turn, checking dark, slowrolling etc, etc.. should be allowed in Dublin Cardclubs.

Non abusive speech play when headsup is fine by me. Checking dark?? Why do you have a problem with this? It still gives you certain info about the guys hand and as long as its in turn how can you have a problem with it?

I'm seeing a lot more of intentional all-in betting out of turn recently and along with slowrollers those fúckers should be shot.

LuckyLloyd

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sikes

ollyk1 wrote:

I'm seeing a lot more of intentional all-in betting out of turn recently

while slowrolling is the devil, intentional all-in betting out of turn is certainly a move i would consider in the right circumstances. is this really looked down on?

brianmc

sikes wrote:

while slowrolling is the devil, intentional all-in betting out of turn is certainly a move i would consider in the right circumstances. is this really looked down on?

*BANG*

got one...

brianmc

sikes wrote:

while slowrolling is the devil, intentional all-in betting out of turn is certainly a move i would consider in the right circumstances. is this really looked down on?

Sure why not just have a game where making actions in turn is not required and the fastest person to act can use it to their advatage.

(I stopped playing snap for this reason. Horrible violent game.)

ollyk1

sikes wrote:

while slowrolling is the devil, intentional all-in betting out of turn is certainly a move i would consider in the right circumstances. is this really looked down on?

Hey Sikes,

What are the "right" circumstances for intentionally ignoring the rules of the game for your advantage? If you can answer this question in a way that doesn't amount to angle shooting and to put it plainly cheating then maybe I'll revise my opinion of the practise. But I don't think so.

I have left a cash game when one particular guy did this twice despite being warned and I've had players warned for it in tournaments. If I want to be cheated or robbed of cash I'd prefer to give it away to the homeless then to a thief. (I'm not describing you as a thief Sikes but if a guy does this repeatedly and intentionally in a game that is how I view him or her)


I've heard of shortstacks in tournies pushing all-in and turning over their AA in an effort to get the blinds to fold so they don't have to risk going out before the money. This is a very similar idea to pushing out of turn to stop your opponent from committing themselves to a call. Or its like trying to get the benefits of stop and going a hand when you are not in a position to do so. If you can't pull the move within the rules you just decide to conveniently ignore the rules for your benefit. You don't see people getting away with that in other games without risking censure and the same should hold true in poker.

Btw not included on the list by LL but my number one peeve is guys hiding big chips especially in cash games. :rolleyes: Those guys should be killed slowly by Marv ala Tobey Maguire's characterimages.jpg in Sin City.

As for the OP's question I'd have to ask if this was a home cash game and is this something that is done regularly or only by him. If its only by him in an infrequent game where this hasn't happened before then I think you should clarify that sort of thing before doing it with the host. I don't think you should do it without clearing up whether is allowed or not. I personally don't like it but thats irrelevant. On an issue like this its something I'd clarify first before doing.

Olly

Degag

ollyk1 wrote:

Hey Sikes,

What are the "right" circumstances for intentionally ignoring the rules of the game for your advantage? If you can answer this question in a way that doesn't amount to angle shooting and to put it plainly cheating then maybe I'll revise my opinion of the practise. But I don't think so.

I have left a cash game when one particular guy did this twice despite being warned and I've had players warned for it in tournaments. If I want to be cheated or robbed of cash I'd prefer to give it away to the homeless then to a thief. (I'm not describing you as a thief Sikes but if a guy does this repeatedly and intentionally in a game that is how I view him or her)


I've heard of shortstacks in tournies pushing all-in and turning over their AA in an effort to get the blinds to fold so they don't have to risk going out before the money. This is a very similar idea to pushing out of turn to stop your opponent from committing themselves to a call. Or its like trying to get the benefits of stop and going a hand when you are not in a position to do so. If you can't pull the move within the rules you just decide to conveniently ignore the rules for your benefit. You don't see people getting away with that in other games without risking censure and the same should hold true in poker.

Btw not included on the list by LL but my number one peeve is guys hiding big chips especially in cash games. :rolleyes: Those guys should be killed slowly by Marv ala Tobey Maguire's characterimages.jpg in Sin City.

As for the OP's question I'd have to ask if this was a home cash game and is this something that is done regularly or only by him. If its only by him in an infrequent game where this hasn't happened before then I think you should clarify that sort of thing before doing it with the host. I don't think you should do it without clearing up whether is allowed or not. I personally don't like it but thats irrelevant. On an issue like this its something I'd clarify first before doing.

Olly

1. It was a home cash game

2. It was the first and probably last time that i've done it. It was previously done to me by a guy when we were playing heads up in a pub game... ie. we'd see the flop, and he'd show me an ace or something like that....

sikes

Olly, i have done it once before if i remember rightly.

think the hand went a bit like this, think it was the scalps game, one of the first i have ever played and i was a newbie to the live scene.

about 15 left 9 getting paid.

i have about 12-14bbs, big stack on bb has a roughly the same.

raise from button with 22 leaving around 10BBs. flop is 995 or something like this. thought the bb would make a stab at it, leaving himself pot committted. my 2's were pretty weak but i was pretty sure he had none of it. and in newbie fashion i pushed out of turn and he folded.

i swear this is the only time i have done it and wont do it again!

(PS i know the move only gets called by a hand that has me beaten etc...)

ollyk1

sikes wrote:

Olly, i have done it once before if i remember rightly.

think the hand went a bit like this, think it was the scalps game, one of the first i have ever played and i was a newbie to the live scene.

about 15 left 9 getting paid.

i have about 12-14bbs, big stack on bb has a roughly the same.

raise from button with 22 leaving around 10BBs. flop is 995 or something like this. thought the bb would make a stab at it, leaving himself pot committted. my 2's were pretty weak but i was pretty sure he had none of it. and in newbie fashion i pushed out of turn and he folded.

i swear this is the only time i have done it and wont do it again!

(PS i know the move only gets called by a hand that has me beaten etc...)

The exact type of situation I was talking about!!:p

I'll let you off with a warning this time Sikes as you were a live newbie (and it does tend to be newbies who do this) but next time its the dogs for you!!:D :rolleyes: Might wake you up if nothing else!! lol

The reason people do this in my experience is because they can't find the big call here with 22 if their opponent pushes in first when it would be better +ev to be able to make that big call or fold correctly and within the rules. Plus it tells an observant player at the table an awful lot about your attitude on the bubble. The last thing you want to do.

sikes

ollyk1 wrote:

The exact type of situation I was talking about!!:p

I'll let you off with a warning this time Sikes as you were a live newbie (and it does tend to be newbies who do this) but next time its the dogs for you!!:D :rolleyes: Might wake you up if nothing else!! lol

The reason people do this in my experience is because they can't find the big call here with 22 if their opponent pushes in first when it would be better +ev to be able to make that big call or fold correctly and within the rules. Plus it tells an observant player at the table an awful lot about your attitude on the bubble. The last thing you want to do.

i assume the next time i see you, you will steal double the blinds off me! and i agree with the above, esp about telling opponents how you view the bubble!

corc

Officially in tournament play reveling your hand makes it dead. No one should do this and get away with it. now in home games, pub games etc it may be a bit different but its damn good way 2 send everyone on the table on tilt especially the guy you are in the hand with.