Irish Words Anglicised? Or, English Words Hibernified?

quazzy

Right so, I'll start.

Phrase: "So Long"

One Possible Origin: from the Irish "slán" = goodbye

History:
When a big pile of Irish folk migrated to America during the Famine, local Americans heard the Irish saying "Slán" to each other. The locals could not quite pronouce the word (with the fada etc...) so it got double-barrelled to "So Long"

pH

You having a laugh? Is he having a laugh?

It's as likely from the Hebrew "Shalom" or arabic "Salaam".
Also what about the German "adieu so lange", or the Swedish "Hej så länge" "good-bye for now"?

It's possible that some usage derives from the Irish "slán", but it's not a very likely candidate and definitely not *the* accepted source as you're claiming.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=so+long

hullaballoo

What's this? The Etymology thread?

Hold on, hold on. I'll just go and start the Linguistics thread and moot the idea of the forum!

quazzy

Although it may not be the only origin of the phrase it is documented by Terry Dolan - author of the Hiberno English dictionary - as one of the roots of the phrase

I'll post up some links if I can find them

quazzy

hullaballoo wrote:

What's this? The Etymology thread?

Hold on, hold on. I'll just go and start the Linguistics thread and moot the idea of the forum!

Ok so...

How's about re-naming the thread to deal solely with Irish words and phrases that have been anglisised (sp?) or something of that ilk

pH

quazzy wrote:

Although it may not be the only origin of the phrase it is documented by Terry Dolan - author of the Hiberno English dictionary - as one of the roots of the phrase

While you have the dictionary to hand, can you lookup "Irish ppl"?

The Sweeper

Here's another possibly-irish-origin one for you. Australians call their chickens 'chooks'. Apparently it's from the early days of the Irish deportees, making lives for themselves. When feeding the chickens, the women would call them: "Tioc! Tioc!" and to this day, Aussie chickens are 'tiocs' (chooks).

quazzy

pH wrote:

While you have the dictionary to hand, can you lookup "Irish ppl"?

Post edited above.

I don't have the dictionary. I listen to Terry every Monday on Newstalk and it was one he mentioned a while back and it just stuck in my head.

quazzy

quazzy wrote:

Although it may not be the only origin of the phrase it is documented by Terry Dolan - author of the Hiberno English dictionary - as one of the roots of the phrase

I'll post up some links if I can find them

Found the podcast of the show where Terry explains it.

Just open iTunes and search for Newstalk.
The title of the Podcast is "Professor Terry Dolan on Moncrieff" and it's the one about the language of Uncle Sam, about 10 minutes into the podcast.

Also explains the word Phony.

Enjoy

Tar.Aldarion

God, I love this forum already.

spurious

Smashing, as in smashing orange-y bits and lashings of ginger pop my good man - Is maith é sin.

Demetrius

Not sure if this is relevant, but the word "hooligan" supposedly comes from the name of a particularly violent London-Irish family. It could also be derived perhaps from "Hoolighan" or "Hoolihan".

Scraggs

'Smithereen' comes from the Irish word 'smiodar' which means piece or fragment.

oscarBravo

Scraggs wrote:

'Smithereen' comes from the Irish word 'smiodar' which means piece or fragment.

More specifically, 'smiodairíní' would indicate small pieces or fragments.

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Scraggs wrote:

'Smithereen' comes from the Irish word 'smiodar' which means piece or fragment.

+ "ín" - for 'small' piece or fragment.

dr.bollocko

The english word galore comes from Go Leor, its irish cousin.

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Damn!

hullaballoo

Not so surprisning, but the English word Brogues refers to the hobnail boots that were traditionally worn by Irish immigrants during the mid-nineteen hundreds. Naturally, the Irish were referring to "bróg" in general!

Also, and as a slight aside, the Irish word for nonsense is "béarla".

Pherekydes

What about the word 'dig', as in "Do ya dig that, bro?"

It seems it originated in New York. The "Brothers" picked it up from Irish immigrants who sometimes interspersed their English with some Irish words or phrases like "An dtuigeann tú?"

True or Bluff?

Scraggs

Slow coach wrote:

What about the word 'dig', as in "Do ya dig that, bro?"

It seems it originated in New York. The "Brothers" picked it up from Irish immigrants who sometimes interspersed their English with some Irish words or phrases like "An dtuigeann tú?"

True or Bluff?

Thats very possible I would say

dig
c.1320 (diggen), of uncertain origin, probably related to dike and ditch, either via O.Fr. diguer (ult. from a Gmc. source), or directly from an unrecorded O.E. word. Native words were deolfan, grafan (medial -f- pronounced as "v" in O.E.). Meaning "thrust or poke" (as with an elbow) is from 1819; figurative sense of this is from 1840. Slang sense of "understand" first recorded 1934 in Black English, probably based on the notion of "excavate." A slightly varied sense of "appreciate" emerged 1939. Noun meaning "archaeological expedition" is from 1896. Digs "lodgings" is slang from 1893.

[from etmyonline.com]

OR
Dig
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English diggen; akin to perhaps akin to Old French digue, dike, trench. See dhgw- in Appendix I. V., tr., sense 8 and intr., sense 3, perhaps influenced by Wolof degg, to hear, find out, understand, or Irish Gaelic tuigim, I understand.

[from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: 4th Edition]

hullaballoo

Slow coach wrote:

What about the word 'dig', as in "Do ya dig that, bro?"

It seems it originated in New York. The "Brothers" picked it up from Irish immigrants who sometimes interspersed their English with some Irish words or phrases like "An dtuigeann tú?"

True or Bluff?

Bluffeh the Vampire Slayer. Word.

spurious

'Dig in the dancing queen'.

When I was at school, many moons ago, a teacher told us that the English word 'glib' meaning smart-alecky could have come from the Irish word 'glib' given to the style of hairstyle worn by the Irish during Plantation times. We've all seen it..sort of 70s looking with a bad fringe.

Faith

hullaballoo wrote:

Also, and as a slight aside, the Irish word for nonsense is "béarla".

While we're on the subject, the Irish word for rats and French (as in the people) is the same. (Na Fhrancaigh - my spelling might be off, but you get the idea.)

hullaballoo

Faith wrote:

While we're on the subject, the Irish word for rats and French (as in the people) is the same. (Na Fhrancaigh - my spelling might be off, but you get the idea.)

Lol.

quazzy

Link for origins of So Long and Phony; should be about 10 minutes into the show.

Slán

lostexpectation

deas = jazz true!

whats the etymology of nerds :P

Blush_01

TP has a Hiberno-English website, and a wiki. Sorry if that's off-topic, but they're quite interesting.

GaryOR

http://www.hiberno-english.com/archive.php

here's a Hiberno English archive website thuas.

GerryRyan

Demetrius wrote:

Not sure if this is relevant, but the word "hooligan" supposedly comes from the name of a particularly violent London-Irish family. It could also be derived perhaps from "Hoolighan" or "Hoolihan".

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=hooligan

Blush_01

spurious wrote:

'Dig in the dancing queen'.

When I was at school, many moons ago, a teacher told us that the English word 'glib' meaning smart-alecky could have come from the Irish word 'glib' given to the style of hairstyle worn by the Irish during Plantation times. We've all seen it..sort of 70s looking with a bad fringe.

Spurious, I think that's actually Diggin', as in digging... can you dig it?;)