Stars 1k WCOOP Event

cardshark202

So who's playing in it? I was in it but I played badly then ran the 2nd nut flush into the nuts.

Team Luckbox ie Dathio and RoundTower are going well, as is ROONEY_DIVES. Havent noticed anyone else in it.

poker4life

I see ROONEY_DIVES made the money - $1950 return, think he was 280th or something out of 2500 runners - well done!! Didn't see how the other two did. Barny Boatman was 2nd C.L with 12 left when I saw it.

ianmc38

Strassa2 from 2+2 won it by destroying the field, raising and reraising everything preflop. Sick sick poker.

Daithio

Myself and Dave kind of fecked it up. We were cruising on about 35k with average at 27k after beating AK with AQ and waking up with AA when someone else had QQ. Then we managed to get it all in 3 way with JJ... vs AA and QQ. The way the betting went is some sort of excuse I suppose, we were in between a shortstacked nutter (who ended up having AA) and someone who woke up with QQ behind us after we'd reraised the loon, so it was a tough enough spot but we could have gotten away with it leaving ourselves about 20k.

Flipper

i played this a well. Second hand I pick up KK, raise it, call a re-raise of 600 and see a flop of 10 7 2 rainbow. He bet out, I raised and he moved all in. I called and he revealed QQ. Of course, the third Q arrived on the turn and sent me packing. I felt sick after it. :mad:

EvilGenius

ianmc38 wrote:

Strassa2 from 2+2 won it by destroying the field, raising and reraising everything preflop. Sick sick poker.

Well i watched his table from a while out, my friend was on it. He donked his way to glory on this hand -

PokerStars Game #6411455916: Tournament #40000010, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (4000/8000) - 2006/09/25 - 01:19:57 (ET)
Table '40000010 39' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Zanjong (241529 in chips)
Seat 2: sappy123 (327683 in chips)
Seat 3: PancakeBoy (529398 in chips)
Seat 4: LorraineLove (435054 in chips)
Seat 5: strassa2 (244190 in chips)
Seat 6: wyldpytch (216180 in chips)
Seat 7: Pipestew (333268 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: kunkku (189680 in chips)
Seat 9: koule11 (91988 in chips)
Zanjong: posts the ante 800
sappy123: posts the ante 800
PancakeBoy: posts the ante 800
LorraineLove: posts the ante 800
strassa2: posts the ante 800
wyldpytch: posts the ante 800
Pipestew: posts the ante 800
kunkku: posts the ante 800
koule11: posts the ante 800
Pipestew: posts small blind 4000
kunkku: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Pipestew is connected
Pipestew has returned
koule11: raises 83188 to 91188 and is all-in
Zanjong: folds
sappy123: calls 91188
PancakeBoy: folds
LorraineLove: folds
strassa2: raises 152202 to 243390 and is all-in
wyldpytch: folds
Pipestew: folds
kunkku: folds
sappy123: folds
*** FLOP *** [Js Ad Ac]
*** TURN *** [Js Ad Ac] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Js Ad Ac 9s] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
koule11: shows [Qd Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
strassa2: shows [Ah Qs] (three of a kind, Aces)
strassa2 collected 292764 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 292764 | Rake 0
Board [Js Ad Ac 9s 4s]
Seat 1: Zanjong folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sappy123 folded before Flop
Seat 3: PancakeBoy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: LorraineLove folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: strassa2 showed [Ah Qs] and won (292764) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: wyldpytch (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Pipestew (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: kunkku (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: koule11 showed [Qd Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens

Dont care what anyone says he is nowhere near ahead of their combined range, and the reraise-isolation is an increasingly in vogue technique by some of the hyper-aggressive mtt players around. Dont like it.

ecksor

He doesn't have to be ahead of their range, he has to have a good idea that he can make the second guy fold and be not worse than 2 to 1 in the hand to make that a good spot to be in to pick up chips.

ianmc38

EvilGenius wrote:

Well i watched his table from a while out, my friend was on it. He donked his way to glory on this hand -

PokerStars Game #6411455916: Tournament #40000010, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (4000/8000) - 2006/09/25 - 01:19:57 (ET)
Table '40000010 39' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Zanjong (241529 in chips)
Seat 2: sappy123 (327683 in chips)
Seat 3: PancakeBoy (529398 in chips)
Seat 4: LorraineLove (435054 in chips)
Seat 5: strassa2 (244190 in chips)
Seat 6: wyldpytch (216180 in chips)
Seat 7: Pipestew (333268 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: kunkku (189680 in chips)
Seat 9: koule11 (91988 in chips)
Zanjong: posts the ante 800
sappy123: posts the ante 800
PancakeBoy: posts the ante 800
LorraineLove: posts the ante 800
strassa2: posts the ante 800
wyldpytch: posts the ante 800
Pipestew: posts the ante 800
kunkku: posts the ante 800
koule11: posts the ante 800
Pipestew: posts small blind 4000
kunkku: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Pipestew is connected
Pipestew has returned
koule11: raises 83188 to 91188 and is all-in
Zanjong: folds
sappy123: calls 91188
PancakeBoy: folds
LorraineLove: folds
strassa2: raises 152202 to 243390 and is all-in
wyldpytch: folds
Pipestew: folds
kunkku: folds
sappy123: folds
*** FLOP *** [Js Ad Ac]
*** TURN *** [Js Ad Ac] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Js Ad Ac 9s] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
koule11: shows [Qd Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
strassa2: shows [Ah Qs] (three of a kind, Aces)
strassa2 collected 292764 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 292764 | Rake 0
Board [Js Ad Ac 9s 4s]
Seat 1: Zanjong folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sappy123 folded before Flop
Seat 3: PancakeBoy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: LorraineLove folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: strassa2 showed [Ah Qs] and won (292764) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: wyldpytch (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Pipestew (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: kunkku (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: koule11 showed [Qd Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens

Dont care what anyone says he is nowhere near ahead of their combined range, and the reraise-isolation is an increasingly in vogue technique by some of the hyper-aggressive mtt players around. Dont like it.

I'm sure you'd own him.

EvilGenius

ianmc38 wrote:

I'm sure you'd own him.

What(ever)?

Anyway, the reraise isolation is poor. And he is a huge dog v QQ clearly. Also he has to be fairly sure, if not very sure, that the cold call of the all in is not QQ - AA. Generally speaking, the initial cold caller can do that with AA - KK and likely would do.... anyway he admitted on p5's that he played the hand bad and plenty others agreed he played it bad.

ianmc38

A shortstack goes all-in for 10xBB. His range here is any pocket pair, most aces and 2 broadways. AQ is racing or ahead of this range a large percentage of the time.

To say he donked his way to glory is utter bullshít.

If you'd watched any of the final 2 tables, you'd have seen him destroying the field with relentless aggression.

EvilGenius

ianmc38 wrote:

A shortstack goes all-in for 10xBB. His range here is any pocket pair, most aces and 2 broadways. AQ is racing or ahead of this range a large percentage of the time.

To say he donked his way to glory is utter bullshít.

If you'd watched any of the final 2 tables, you'd have seen him destroying the field with relentless aggression.

I was on his table early on. He played well. He's awesome. What do u want me to say? He's a v v v v good player. He donked that hand. The initial push range is much higher than any pocket pair or any Ace. I watched that particular table for 2 hours + and the guy didnt make 1 move. With the prize $ so high and so many hyper aggressive players, any early position push was going to be a far higher range than normal and especially from this player. The cold call behind is debatable as to strength. Clearly this can be done with AA - QQ, AK raises here. It is probably a misplayed pair like 9 9, but there's no way he can be certain of it. he built his stack to obliterate the FT in this hand and he did donk it. AQ v QQ and he has his opponent drawing dead by turn...

(Clearly 1 hand after 9 hours does not = donking his way to victory, but it was THE critical hand of the tournament for him, giving him the stack to do his stuff later on.)

ecksor

EvilGenius wrote:

AQ v QQ and he has his opponent drawing dead by turn...

I agree that he played the flop very well too.

EvilGenius

ianmc38 wrote:

A shortstack goes all-in for 10xBB. His range here is any pocket pair, most aces and 2 broadways. AQ is racing or ahead of this range a large percentage of the time.

Just to cement this argument, 2 quotes -

dude, the open pushers range is REALLY tight. He has to face 8 other players to go with over 11 big blinds, his range is freaking TIGHT

EVEN if you assume that the cold caller is folding nearly every time, this is slight +EV

NOW, the fact of the matter is that the cold caller is almost never folding, and the fact that he did is a huge fluke. His range normally has Strassa murdered, and he is rarely folding and massively cutting back on strassas equity.... consider the dynamics of AQ vs two hands in the top x%, where one of the hands is likely to be blocking the AQ... its REALLY bad. -ActionJeff

I think strassa2 is a very good player but this play i think is a very bad move when the guy who went all in have so much and the caller already call a very big bet and could easy have AA KK QQ here..
And the caller could also have a hand like AQ AJ which make it much worse for strassa


I dont care about potodds when one moved all in and one call when i dont have any chips in the pot why put your tourney on risk becouse you in best case have a hand which you have ok odds in and you will be favorit in the long run to lose chips in this spot -Riverloser

ianmc38

EvilGenius are you Rooney_Dives by any chance?

Duff Man Jr.

Wow I was thinking the same thing

ianmc38

EvilGenius wrote:

Just to cement this argument, 2 quotes -

dude, the open pushers range is REALLY tight. He has to face 8 other players to go with over 11 big blinds, his range is freaking TIGHT

I disagree. Just ask RT

Daithio

I don't like the push with AQ at all unless he has alot of information which we don't have from just this hand. I'm sure he's a great player, no doubt, but this is a mistake IMO, and he got lucky to get away with it. The flat call scares the **** out of me, that would be my biggest reason for folding, but I'd probably fold anyway to the original push. I mean what is he hoping to see, a weaker ace? Essentially he's hoping for a coinflip, which is never a good way to get your chips in unless you're already committed with a raise.

Hectorjelly

Daithio wrote:

I mean what is he hoping to see, a weaker ace? Essentially he's hoping for a coinflip, which is never a good way to get your chips in unless you're already committed with a raise.

It can be a good way to get your chips in if your getting better than 2:1 on your money

phantom_lord

Hectorjelly wrote:

It can be a good way to get your chips in if your getting better than 2:1 on your money

Last time I got my chips all-in with aq getting 2:1 with my money I was called by aa and qq

ianmc38

phantom_lord wrote:

Last time I got my chips all-in with aq getting 2:1 with my money I was called by aa and qq

Obviously you hit the straight though....

phantom_lord

ianmc38 wrote:

Obviously you hit the straight though....

Nope, I got up, put on my coat and crept out quietly...

Daithio

Hectorjelly wrote:

It can be a good way to get your chips in if your getting better than 2:1 on your money

Yes this is true, but that's only if the flat caller folds, which is far from certain. A flat call is there is often a monster. I just prefer not to get involved. As I said though, he might have some information on the flat caller which we don't have from just this hand in isolation.