Corrupt workplaces

Darragh29

Just thought I'd throw this out there to see if its just me that has noticed this...

Every job I've been in, and I've worked in 4 jobs in the last 12 years, the workplace has been unhealthy and corrupt due to the way in which the workplace was being managed. I've noticed that the following have been characteristics of every place I've worked in over the last number of years:

There has been no fair procedure in relation to promotions, you could basically pick out who was going to get the promotion, especially to managerial posts. No advertisements, no interviews, just jobs for the boys although there were better qualified & experienced people available who most probably would have done the job better.

Corruption in relation to pay increases. The boss had his favourites who got the 10% pay increases while everyone else got 4%-5%.

Managers who know absolutely nothing about management science, know nothing about how to properly manage staff and can only harass and bully staff into doing their job. This is a major one I've noticed, you have "managers" who know absolutely nothing about management, so they fail in their job but it looks like the people they are "managing" are failing, but its actually the manager.

Am I the only person who has noticed this???

haz

Darragh29 wrote:

the workplace has been unhealthy and corrupt
Am I the only person who has noticed this???

No, but what do you do about it? Seems to me that if you need to resort to a formal complaint then you have already lost your job, like http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054992324 and http://www.indymedia.ie/article/78472

I'd love to see some examples made of them in open court, but that is a rarity.

Duncare

Darragh29 wrote:

Just thought I'd throw this out there to see if its just me that has noticed this...

Every job I've been in, and I've worked in 4 jobs in the last 12 years, the workplace has been unhealthy and corrupt due to the way in which the workplace was being managed. I've noticed that the following have been characteristics of every place I've worked in over the last number of years:

There has been no fair procedure in relation to promotions, you could basically pick out who was going to get the promotion, especially to managerial posts. No advertisements, no interviews, just jobs for the boys although there were better qualified & experienced people available who most probably would have done the job better.

Corruption in relation to pay increases. The boss had his favourites who got the 10% pay increases while everyone else got 4%-5%.

Managers who know absolutely nothing about management science, know nothing about how to properly manage staff and can only harass and bully staff into doing their job. This is a major one I've noticed, you have "managers" who know absolutely nothing about management, so they fail in their job but it looks like the people they are "managing" are failing, but its actually the manager.

Am I the only person who has noticed this???

Welcome to the real world, your just going to be there moaning to your workmates while they get promoted around you, every workplace has someone like you to laugh at at lunchtime.

onedmc

Perhaps this goes one but I cant see how it could be described as corrupt.

The object of a business is to "Increase shareholder wealth" so unless the activity within the office is detremental to the wealth of the owner of the business then its not corrupt.

On the otherhand this might be discrimination and there are laws to deal with that

cash_123

onedmc wrote:

Perhaps this goes one but I cant see how it could be described as corrupt.

The object of a business is to "Increase shareholder wealth" so unless the activity within the office is detremental to the wealth of the owner of the business then its not corrupt.

On the otherhand this might be discrimination and there are laws to deal with that

perhaps if you spent less time moaning about it and actually concentrated on the job at hand you might find yourself at the receiving end of a payrise. did you ever think that the reason these people are being promoted around you is simpy because they are better workers than you? you should focus your attention on being the best worker you can rather than wallowing in self-pity and trying to bring the law into it (which won't have much for your defence).

fatboypee

Ahh...

Is'nt it nice when the benefit of the doubt goes missing and the OP gets flamed for asking a serious question... :rolleyes:

Welcome to the real world,... every workplace has someone like you to laugh at at lunchtime.

Think that was called for do you ?

The point the OP is making is (in my humble opinion) a valid one. Over my years I have worked for alot of multi nationals and two indigenous Irish companies. Encountering the skills of management in both indigenous companies I made conscious decision never to work for one again. Both sets of management displayed scant regard for formailty, completely lacked professionalism, cut corners to suit themselves in all areas and in general treated the employees like commodities whose sole purpose was to increase the profit of the company and who could be used and abused at will.

Favouritism was rife, payrises scarce for those not in the "Circle" (i.e. those not willing to cut the required corner, shaft the named company etc for the good of the "Company" etc etc..). This is my experience, I'm sure they're not all like that (but I'm willing to bet a considerable amount are!), but I would say that telling someone who asks the question to stop whingeing is one reason why those companies are allowed to get away with such antics.

FBP.

TempestSabre

Its just poor managment and its rife.

nesf

Duncare wrote:

Welcome to the real world, your just going to be there moaning to your workmates while they get promoted around you, every workplace has someone like you to laugh at at lunchtime.

Ah, I see that you didn't quite make the transition from secondary school to the real world.

ToxicPaddy

I have to say I've seen my fair share of this alright.

One company I know of was rife with this, bullying, intimidation and treating those who weren't one of the lads like a piece of sh*t.

One of the ring leaders was a senior manager and it didnt take long for this to fall back on the company, the staff who were any good left, the business practices went to crap and the company went from 120 to 20 people in 2 years due to lay offs from loss of business, mainly due to their practices lack of ability and customers taking their business elsewhere.

The company also had 4 unfair dismissal claims taken against them, due to the actions of this senior manager and settled out of court with them all as they were told that they didnt have a leg to stand on.

Funny thing is, he's been promoted and is now a director of the company.

Makes you wonder doesn it? :rolleyes:

Tox

HelterSkelter

Darragh29 wrote:

Managers who know absolutely nothing about management science, know nothing about how to properly manage staff and can only harass and bully staff into doing their job. This is a major one I've noticed, you have "managers" who know absolutely nothing about management, so they fail in their job but it looks like the people they are "managing" are failing, but its actually the manager.

Am I the only person who has noticed this???

Gotta agree with you 100% there. What do you expect, the managers are promoted to the position but don't seem to receive any training whatsoever for the job. The only thing a lot of them are good at is managing to spread the blame around when things go wrong.

HelterSkelter

ToxicPaddy wrote:

Funny thing is, he's been promoted and is now a director of the company.

Makes you wonder doesn it? :rolleyes:

Tox

Well the do say that the employees who are worse at their job get promoted. He must have been so bad that he's been promoted right to the top!!!

Rebeller

haz wrote:

No, but what do you do about it? Seems to me that if you need to resort to a formal complaint then you have already lost your job.

Would I be right in thinking that all of these workplaces were non-unionised environments?

While I am not a great fan of the current Industrial Relations model (Union bosses are too close to business) I can asure you that having an organised workforce in a company can do wonders in forcing management to adapt and tread a bit more carefully.

Bullying is indeed rife in most companies. The reason? Because people will not make formal complaints and force the issue.

cash_123 wrote:

you should focus your attention on being the best worker you can rather than wallowing in self-pity and trying to bring the law into it

You are entitled to be treated with dignity and respect while at work. Nobody has the right to bully, intimidate and make your life hell. You wouldn't put up with it from someone on the street or in your personal life so why should you put up with it from a manager?

Laws protecting the rights of employees are woefully inadequate in this country. This is no surprise given the close ties between business and politics.

People need to get organised, educate themselves about what rights they do have and show these pathetic managers that they know their rights.

I can assure you, from personal experience, that managers will always go for the easy targets. Stand up for yourself, drop a few subtle (or not so subtle) hints about what laws, rights are being breached and you should see a rapid change in behaviour.

If that doesn't work make a formal complaint and be ready to take it all the way to court.