Talking Poker Podcast 3

mewso

Just put up episode 3 with Rob Taylor and Ken Powell. Again we had some sound problems but hopefully ye will find the chat of interest. As ever some feedback would be nice. Who would you like interviewed and so on. And don't forget to vote for us on podcast alley (link on front page of talking poker). Thanks.

http://www.talking-poker.com/viewpost.aspx?id=21

Hectorjelly

Very interesting, I listened to the 2nd one as well which i missed, I enjoyed that too.

One thing that ollieboy mentioned that I thought was interesting was that you shouldnt limp if your not planning on calling a raise. In my humble and no doubt misguided opinion this is false, there are many situations in which a raise changes what was a profitable situation into a costly one. Obviously there is the extreme example of limping with 56s after several other limpers and then some guy making it 25bbs to go, but also hands like AJ, AT or AQ can be profitablly played in a limped pot in early position, but not once its raised. (9 handed obv)

Daithio

Hectorjelly wrote:

Very interesting, I listened to the 2nd one as well which i missed, I enjoyed that too.

One thing that ollieboy mentioned that I thought was interesting was that you shouldnt limp if your not planning on calling a raise. In my humble and no doubt misguided opinion this is false, there are many situations in which a raise changes what was a profitable situation into a costly one. Obviously there is the extreme example of limping with 56s after several other limpers and then some guy making it 25bbs to go, but also hands like AJ, AT or AQ can be profitablly played in a limped pot in early position, but not once its raised. (9 handed obv)

It all depends on what stage of the tournament it is and the stack to blind ratio. Generally early on you can limp with a huge range of hands that you wouldn't call a raise with, because the loss of 50 chips out of your 10k stack doesn't make a difference. I'm sure Ollie was referring to the latter stages when a limp is a significant portion of your stack. Not entirely certain that this is what he meant but I think it must be.

Daithio

Just listened to kp and rob's interview there. It should be compulsary for anybody that plans on playing the ME. Very impressed with both the questions and the responses. It really got across well how much succeeding in the ME has to do with your own mental attitude towards it, and not just the cards you get dealt, as alot of people would like to believe. VWP

Ollieboy

Hectorjelly wrote:

Very interesting, I listened to the 2nd one as well which i missed, I enjoyed that too.

One thing that ollieboy mentioned that I thought was interesting was that you shouldnt limp if your not planning on calling a raise. In my humble and no doubt misguided opinion this is false, there are many situations in which a raise changes what was a profitable situation into a costly one. Obviously there is the extreme example of limping with 56s after several other limpers and then some guy making it 25bbs to go, but also hands like AJ, AT or AQ can be profitablly played in a limped pot in early position, but not once its raised. (9 handed obv)

I agree with you totally here Hector, but we're talking more about beginners than advance players, most beginners dont get there hand range correct and than have to call large raises with marginal hands out of position, because they cant lay them down. I've no problem with limping with big hands or marginal hands depending on the table.

Also, in the final stages of a game, I dont like limping either, because any good player at the higher level of tourneys should be raising with any 2 cards to push you out of the pot and if you do call and miss the flop even with AK, he just bets the pot and takes it away from you, so its important for beginners not to give away to many cheap chips, but a player like you would never limp with AK...lol

I guess what I'm trying to stay, if I limp, I dont mind throwing away those chips if someone comes over the top of me unless I'm trapping, but if I'm raising, I'm committed to the hand unless for some reason I think I'm behind, so for beginners to play solid is important in my eyes and this was the point I was trying to get across.

When your playing more advance and aggressive players, I love to limp and come over the top when they raise preflop, but how can you explain this on a podcast to people...

Also, I'm rock so I hate to give away chips at any stage...lol

Gholimoli

i think what Ollie was trying to say is dont limp if your hand minds being raised in fron of you.
there are some hands that dont mind a raise and some hands that do.
for example AJ,AQ,KQ and of them hands mind being raised in front of them because you cant fold them and you cant really be comfortable playing them out of position so you can get in to trouble.
but hands like 78,9T and the likes dont mind being raised as you can just drop them so its safer to limp with them if you like to.
there is one think i dont like however Ollie about the strategy you suggested and thats limp reraising specially against good players.
if you have a strong hand and you want action on it then you will just end up ending the hand early by doing this and if you have a weak hand then your just asking for trouble .and good players are able to spot which is which more so than your avarage joe .

Hectorjelly

You cant fold AJ AQ KQ? wtf

Gholimoli

Hectorjelly wrote:

You cant fold AJ AQ KQ? wtf

oh did you not know that ?
im not even folding the 34 never mind two picture cards HJ .oh no siry not me...

Ollieboy

Gholimoli wrote:

i think what Ollie was trying to say is dont limp if your hand minds being raised in fron of you.
there are some hands that dont mind a raise and some hands that do.
for example AJ,AQ,KQ and of them hands mind being raised in front of them because you cant fold them and you cant really be comfortable playing them out of position so you can get in to trouble.
but hands like 78,9T and the likes dont mind being raised as you can just drop them so its safer to limp with them if you like to.
there is one think i dont like however Ollie about the strategy you suggested and thats limp reraising specially against good players.
if you have a strong hand and you want action on it then you will just end up ending the hand early by doing this and if you have a weak hand then your just asking for trouble .and good players are able to spot which is which more so than your avarage joe .

Agreed mate, but a really big hand against a aggressive player is AA/KK and maybe QQ. So that strategy I mean is against a player like Chief for example, you like's to raise a player if you sense weakness if I'm holding 1010/JJ and maybe AK/AQ I dont really want to play a flop with you and if I have too, I would rather play for his stack instead of letting him outdraw me, so I would be happy to re-raise you and take the pot down there and if you call, there's a chance I'll take it after the flop anyway if I hit.