my stats on poker traker

reilly110

my stats on pokertraker 2600 hands [] level .50-1$
volume $ put in pot -- 28.66
pre flop raise % --16.87
went to showndown -- 26.21
won at showdown -- 40.46

not very happy with results so far !!
can people give there opinions on the stats and how i could improve

thanks in advance

Hectorjelly

You're too loose preflop, your raise too much preflop, you go to showdown too much and you lose too many times at showdown.

Do you play 6 handed or 9 handed?

1 - Play much tighter preflop. (especially in early position)
2 - Fold more on the flop
3 - Raise in ep less

Aim to get your VPIP below 25


Your results will definitely improve

reilly110

always play six handed --i did not think this was very loose for a six handed table

fuzzbox

reilly110 wrote:

always play six handed --i did not think this was very loose for a six handed table

Its not very loose if its six handed, but it is loose.
If you are losing with these stats, then you dont have enough of a postflop edge to compensate for your worse cards.

Thus, "tighten up" is a simple fix.

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Its not very loose if its six handed, but it is loose.
If you are losing with these stats, then you dont have enough of a postflop edge to compensate for your worse cards.

Thus, "tighten up" is a simple fix.

i agree with Fuzz in that its not to loos but your going to show down % and win at show down % are too high and too low.
you going to far with your hands and your over valuing them it seems.
if you play tigher preflop most of this will be fixed as in your playing better hands preflop which should end the hand sooner post flop and if you do go to show down they should have higher value.

luckylucky

I think your vpip is fine for six handed, but your pre-flop raising is far too high. There are winning loose aggressive players out there who do raise that much but their vpip is actually a lot higher. I was reading through some stuff that suggested that winning players tend to have a pfr% that was 1/3rd of their vpip... I'll see if I can find the link, be they tight aggressive or loose aggressive and this seems to ring true from my own experience.

Basically you are raising far too much to be true and your opponents realise this and that's probably why you are getting outplayed after flop.

Do you raise with Ace Rag? If you are I'd only consider doing it from the button and even then it's not automatic, from any other position including cutoff don't do it with less than Ace Ten or Axsuited.

Also be weary about getting involved with unsuited picture cards especially if you have callers or raisers involved already. Raising with KQ, Kj or even Kto from around cut-off is not bad imho if there is noone else in hand already - but these are borderline hands remember, and can lose you a lot if you are not careful with them - if there are people acting before you I'd dump KT and Kjo without hesitation, KQo probably against most opponents too, I'm happy if they just simply steal the blinds for me, for me that's what they are mostly good for.

In early position you need to fold lots, if it ain't KQs or better, ATs or better or medium pocket pair even in a shorthanded game you need to bin your hand.

Also after the flop it looks like you are not getting away from enough hands..., remember the average winning hand value is 2 pair in hold em - If you have top pair and the action on flop or turn is telling you it's not good enough it probably isn't, so like the others suggeest you need to be clicking that fold button a lot more.

Anyway that's my take on it. Basically I agree with everyone else that you need to tighten up but on the preflop thing for me it's the amount of times you raise that is the problem rather than your VPIP.

luckylucky

The link to that optimal raising thing I mentioned is here - though I think it applkies to just full-ring, you could probably adjust the optimal raising percentage for shorthand play by multiplaying by about 1.5 to 1.7 or so I would think.

http://bet-the-pot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2894

reilly110

thanks for the replies
i have tried tightening up pre flop and i was finding it very hard to get good action on my hands -at one stage playiing only premium hand and getting absolutely no action --thats why i loosened up a good bit

on a side note last year playing loose aggressive i had won nice six figure bankroll i found it very easy to get paid on good hands post flop
ended up buying a house and losing the rest playing at too a high limit
so i am back to scratch now

just cant understand why this style is not working for me this year !!!
i dont know whether the players on low limits have got better or my post flop play is alot worse

luckylucky

reilly110 wrote:

thanks for the replies
i have tried tightening up pre flop and i was finding it very hard to get good action on my hands -at one stage playiing only premium hand and getting absolutely no action --thats why i loosened up a good bit

on a side note last year playing loose aggressive i had won nice six figure bankroll i found it very easy to get paid on good hands post flop
ended up buying a house and losing the rest playing at too a high limit
so i am back to scratch now

just cant understand why this style is not working for me this year !!!
i dont know whether the players on low limits have got better or my post flop play is alot worse

Well u do have onkly 2600 hands to go on, the one problem I guess with loose aggressive play at the lower levels is that your bluffs get looked up a lot, so maybe you need to adjust your strategy. ABC poker works good at the .5/1 NL.

There's nothing wrong with playing non premium hands to get action either but make sure it is with suited connectors or one gap suited connectors hands that can hit the flop hard and not be suspected by your opponents thus increasing your chance of getting paid off with em.

Anyway winning a 6 figure sum last year wouldn't have thought u needed much advice , best of luck this year

Ste05

What limits were you playing while earning your BR last year, compared to the limits you're currently playing now??

The game at the low limits is completely different to what it is at the Higher Limits, where I assume you were playing while earning your €100k+.

The question is also very vague, the Post flop play at the low limits is simply terrible and without knowing anything about you, I'll give a huge generalisation and say that you just need to re-adjust.

reilly110

usually played 5-10 ,10-20 and 25-50 depending on players at the table

and when you were regularly beating bigger games --it is extremely hard to take when you get beat out the gate in a .50c -1$ game

reilly110

i also forgot how top pair is the god of low limit players nothing will make them release it --no matter what the board comes or what there kicker is !!
i have to try to stop trying to push people off hands --my first objective

luckylucky

value play value play and value play at the .5/1 no limit game - you will murder the game if you know poker and just play it straight up at that level. Keep the fancy stuff for higher stakes.

Scotty #

I was in the same boat myself while ago, where I felt, although I was winning, I was playing too loose and seeing WAY too many showdowns. I had a look round the net and came across these stats from 2+2. They are specifically from 6 seater low limit tables:

The stats were taken from 34 volunteers and 507K hands

Six max: Avg
Hands played 15,848
VPIP: 25.63%
VPIP from SB: 39.10%
Folded SB to steal: 78.37%
Folded BB to steal: 72.43%
Att. to steal blinds: 23.35%
Won $ WSF: 37.09%
PTBB/100: 10.06
Went to SD: 22.33%
Won $ at SD: 52.00%
Pre Flop Raise: 11.29%
Total Aggression: 3.4

Full Stats:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Number=5892078


My stats match these pretty close now. My only big difference is total aggression. Its still 0.69 which is way too passive. Any advice??

Ste05

Scotty # wrote:

My only big difference is total aggression. Its still 0.69 which is way too passive. Any advice??

I'd suggest you bet and raise more after the flop...

Sorry I couldn't help myself...

But seriously, maybe you're not firing enough continuation bets, or value betting the river enough...

Scotty #

Ste05 wrote:

maybe you're not firing enough continuation bets, or value betting the river enough...

I think the continuation bet is part of it, but I think my biggest problem is slow playing sets, two pair, etc, sometimes getting out drawn, which is a HUGE flaw in my game. Post flop is where the problem is...turn and river stats are fine. To have an overall AF of 3 means to bet or raise nearly every hand you play, calling isn't an option. Is this a good strategy for .5/1?

luckylucky

Scotty those stats you mention of whom are they an average of?
Just a random sample or winning players?
I'm only skimming through them and they look fine except I would have thought 'VPIP from SB: 39.10%' was tight.

If ur aAf is 0.69 u r far far 2 passive.

If u got a set or 2 pair bet the damn thing, the amount of donks who will call u or raise you even with bottom pair may surprise u. If u slow play it u might trap somneone who may have folded but u will win big pots more often by just betting it's not as if someone with top pair is likely to fold particularly in the lower limits.

And to have an AF of 3 does not mean u r betting nearly every hand u play btw it just means u r more likely to be betting and or folding and doing less calling.

Scotty #

The stats are from 34 volenteers on 2+2. The link to the page is above. I presume they're winners as they volenteered.

The 0.69 is total agg....but still way too passive.

luckylucky wrote:

If u got a set or 2 pair bet the damn thing

I know. I know. But its so seldom you get them its hard not to slow play them.

I'm happy enough with my game, I started playing cash games 6 weeks ago and I'm doing ok at 10PT/100 after 13,500 hands (.5/1) My AF is improving (0.92 for Sept. LOL) and my VPIP has plumeted to from 37% to 26%. I just have to learn to be more aggressive.

Hectorjelly

If your the best player at the table and able to outplay all the others then running a VPIP of 30 is fine. If your not then its going to cost you money. Of the about 100k hands I have at all limits I have encountered 1 big long term winner with a VPIP of over 26%