Why 25 50

Mr. Flibble

Can anyone tell me why blinds in tournaments staty at 10.20 or 25.50 instead of 1.2? Thought it might be for antes but I have never seen a tourny where antes kick in at the very start.

ArmaniJeanss

A wild guess....

It harks back to the time when the WSOP was the only regular big tourney. They came up with this idea that you would get as many chips as the buy-in, e.g. 10000 chips in a 10K event. Blinds of 25/25 or 25/50 are a good starting point with this starting stack.
As other tourneys came along the 25/50 starting blinds became the norm, and starting stacks were adapted to suit the individual tourney.

Mr. Flibble

I like the theory.

MadsL

3 reasons and a custom

1. You need fewer chip colours
2. It means you can increase at even 50% intervals (otherwise 1/2 would go to 2/4 (or you would need .5 chips in play)
3. fewer chips on the table at one time
4. It follows casino custom, you can make any amount from $1 $5 $25 chips

Mr. Flibble

MadsL wrote:

3 reasons and a custom

1. You need fewer chip colours
2. It means you can increase at even 50% intervals (otherwise 1/2 would go to 2/4 (or you would need .5 chips in play)
3. fewer chips on the table at one time
4. It follows casino custom, you can make any amount from $1 $5 $25 chips

1. I don't see why
2. Ah yes, this is probably the main reason
3. I don't see why

Daithio

It's more fun saying 'I raise to 200' rather than 'I raise to 8'.

MadsL

I don't see why #1Compare the following structures

sb	Bb	Sb	Bb
1	2	25	50
2	4	50	100
4	8	75	150
8	16	100	200
16	32	150	300
32	64	200	400
64	128	500	1000

for the 1/2, 2/4 structure you will need $1, $5 (or a massive amount of $1 chips) $25 and probably $100 chips. 4 colours of chips. Also the dealers head is wrecked from making change, and all anyone call see of the pot is a big pile of $1 chips. Side pots are a nightmare (so thats 4x16 on the side plus 8, etc etc)
$1 chips can also never be removed from play.

For the other structure you need $25, $100 and $500 chips. The $25 chips can be taken out of play after 6th level. If this is a casual home game, they can also be reused as $1000 chips if needed.

I don't see why #3

Because:
a) you can remove chips from play in the second structure
b) most blind levels will only require 1 or 2 chips to call the blind.

Comprendy-vouse?

ArmaniJeanss

MadsL wrote:

I don't see why #1Compare the following structures

sb	Bb	Sb	Bb
1	2	25	50
2	4	50	100
4	8	75	150
8	16	100	200
16	32	150	300
32	64	200	400
64	128	500	1000

Comprendy-vouse?

EDIT: Points made much better by Mellor in the next post, so skip this !

Not at all MadSL, the blind levels would be 1/2,2/4,3/6,4/8,5/10,7/15,10/20
basically identical increments to the 25/50,50/100 standard structure.
You would need 1s,5s,20s at the starting level and you can get rid of the 1s at level7.
There would be as many '1' chips in an early pot as there are currently '25' chips in an early pot, nothing too difficult for a dealer.
Its effectively identical and would have worked just as well as what we have now.

Mellor

MadsL wrote:

ICompare the following structures

sb	Bb	Sb	Bb
1	2	25	50
2	4	50	100
4	8	75	150
8	16	100	200
16	32	150	300
32	64	200	400
64	128	500	1000

Why did you go to 75/150 but skip 3/6 in the low value scheme. You made much bigger jumps in the 1/2 scheme. Was this to purposely suit your point. You doubled the 1/2 every hand but not the other one,

Wouldn't if be fairer to used this example.

sb	Bb	Sb	Bb
1	2	25	50
2	4	50	100
3	6	75	150
4	8	100	200
6	12	150	300
8	16	200	400
.....................
20	40	500	1000

1/2 can be used the exact same way as 25/50 all levels are divided by 25. Since 25 is the base value it will go into every amount evenly.

The €25 chip is the same as the €1
The €100 chip is the same as the €4
The €500 chip is the same as the €20

so if you have green red and blue chips, you can used either system. and it makes no difference to stack/blinds/no of levels/levels possible/amount of chipsin play/chips needed

RoundTower

ArmaniJeans is right, it started with the World Series and other tournaments since have imitated it.