A few hands from SE Cash Game last night

ianmc38

Little bit of info. I've been playing extremely lag, raising alot of hands preflop, betting alot of flops and I've been playing position really aggressively.

I'm also on tilt. I just lost a €450 pot all-in preflop with aces against kings. The guy on my left told me he folded a king. The flop gives him his 1-outer.
He then tells me that it isn't a bad beat because he had a genuine hand. I try to explain to him the concept of a dogging but he insists that I wasn't dogged.

That makes me go hyper lag.

I double up twice and have 435. I cover everyone at the table.

Villain 1 - €100
Villain 2 - €65
Villain 3 - €370

Hand 1:

I complete on the small blind with J7o. 8 players.
Flop 89T with two spades. I bet the pot. Villain 1 raises to 65. Villain 2 calls(all-in). Villain 3 reraises to 240.

Some info on each player.

Villain 1 is a big fish. He's almost certainly drawing to the nut flush/straight. He's been raising pot with draws all night and calling all raises regardless of pot odds. He doubled me up when I flopped a baby flush and he called pot bets on flop and turn with the lone ace of hearts.

Villain 2 is a gamblor. Terrible player. He would make this move with any pair, any draw or any made hand.

Villain 3 is also horrific. he's an SE regular and was the guy who dogged me with KK. He could easily make this move with the idiot end of the straight.

Obviously calling is out of the question, so it's push or fold?

Hand 2:

Villain has 170. He is very tight. I think he's a Scandie. Have never played him before, but he seems ok.

I raise to 15 from the cutoff with JTs. 2 callers.

Flop 89T with one spade. Checked to me. I bet the pot and villain immediately pushes.

Call or fold?

careca

Hand 1

i dont think we need to worry about villians 1 and 2 at all as there stack sizes are not huge and we can still win money by stacking villian 3. If villian 3 is as horrific as you describe then I think its an auto push, however QJ could be just as possible here. Personally I would push and hope hes drawing.

Hand 2

I would probably let this one go. Ok you have outs but I reckon you are behind, if your read on the scandie is right. It doesn't scream of an overpair as he would probably have reraised preflop but the check raise on the flop says big hand to me. Nut straight or set I reckon.

El Stuntman

hand 1: do the patented Phil Hellmuth push 'n flip

hand 2: do the patented El Stuntman fold 'n wait

VEGAS NIGHTS

ianmc38 wrote:

I double up twice and have 435. I cover everyone at the table.

Villain 1 - €100
Villain 2 - €65
Villain 3 - €370

Hand 1:

I complete on the small blind with J7o. 8 players.
Flop 89T with two spades. I bet the pot. Villain 1 raises to 65. Villain 2 calls(all-in). Villain 3 reraises to 240.

Some info on each player.

Villain 1 is a big fish. He's almost certainly drawing to the nut flush/straight. He's been raising pot with draws all night and calling all raises regardless of pot odds. He doubled me up when I flopped a baby flush and he called pot bets on flop and turn with the lone ace of hearts.

Villain 2 is a gamblor. Terrible player. He would make this move with any pair, any draw or any made hand.

Villain 3 is also horrific. he's an SE regular and was the guy who dogged me with KK. He could easily make this move with the idiot end of the straight.

Obviously calling is out of the question, so it's push or fold?

You have a made hand and it's second nuts at the moment. Problem is your hand is unlikely to improve on turn or river so most likely you're ahead now and need non-spade rags on turn and river. I think this one goes in the "balls & probabillity" section. A big bet like that usually means he doesn't want a caller either because he has a reasonable hand now that could be beaten or he's hoping you'll fold to his flush draw and well if you call he has outs. But it sounds like this guy could have anything.

You are only in the pot for about €20. I think I'ld fold this one. As dumb luck would have it Villain 3 will dog you.

Hand 2:

Villain has 170. He is very tight. I think he's a Scandie. Have never played him before, but he seems ok.

I raise to 15 from the cutoff with JTs. 2 callers.

Flop 89T with one spade. Checked to me. I bet the pot and villain immediately pushes.

Call or fold?

Sounds like he's holding an over pair. "Fold"


I'll never be a winner if I keep folding lol



N

shaydy

Hand 1
I agree with Careca i'm not too worried about Villans 1 & 2 in this spot, villan 3I think is betting with two pair or possible set. I think we're ahead more times that not here so I slide it all over the line.

Hand 2
Its a tough one as its hard to put the villan on a hand, but id lean towards the fold here if he is as tight as you say. But them scandies can gamble and can be more than willing to push with outs to a draw.

Norwich Fan Rob

i think u have to call the first one, there are just too many other hands out there u are beating, it doesnt have to be that the big stack has JQ.
also, there is a good chance that all 3 could be drawing, in which case they are using up each others outs, and u might be in decent shape.

2nd one looks more like a set than an overpair, go with your read of the player, go with your read of the player.
When he pushes u are left with calling 120 to win a pot that will be 370, u are getting just over 2/1.
if u think he has an over pair u should call, if u think he has a set , u should fold.

eggie

Hand 1:

its the side pot with villain 3 that will make this hand profitable, wouldnt worry too much about the others, i think its pretty marginal and would depend on my mood and insticnt at the table, but if they are as fishy as you describe then i'm probably pushing here - knowing the types of player in there they could be playing anything. Its very possible you,ll get dogged but by which one?

Think your beating a lot of hands that they are pushing with.


Hand 2 - folding here.

ianmc38

Villain 3 is grey haired Joe for those that play the SE.

Ste05

Hand 1 - I call. As said above I Just hope Villain 3 doesn't have JQ. [EDIT: Obviously I meant push]

Hand 2 - From what I can work out. The Pot was 45 on the flop, you bet the pot, then the Villain pushed for his remaining 155?? Meaning the pot is 245 and it's 110 for you to call. Giving you ~2.2:1 on your money.

I call this, if he has JQ again, I just take it on the chin.

eggie

ianmc38 wrote:

Villain 3 is grey haired Joe for those that play the SE.

Prob on a draw then, nut flush plus a pair or straight draw. I'd push here, thinking your winning more times than losing. If you lose then so be it. He's also trying to scare you out of the pot as he has the other two covered, think he'd get a shock if you push !!

Hitman Actual

Hand 1: I'm with the general consensus of push.

Hand 2: I agree with NFR in that this looks more like a set than an overpair. Surely he re-raises pre with Aces or Kings, probably queens as well.That only leaves JJ, and you have one of them. So I think I tend towards folding against a tighty.

AmarilloFats

Hand1 I call.
Hand2 I fold.

BTW:
Hand1, Would you call with
a) Bottom set?
b) KsQs?

BigCityBanker

well if its Joe I doubt you delayed long about pushing. He will beat you 1 in 10 times if you are unlucky.

BigCityBanker

another quick question - when Joe pushed did he do his trademark - look around the room like his head rotates 360', spark random conversation with a guy next to him about whatever is on the closest tv, and disucss the last pot again? If he done any of those 3 he is miles behind.

Ste05

In hand 2, even against a set it's only about a 70:30 shot or about 2.3:1. I don't have PokerStove in work, but I'd say we're getting priced in here. As the pot is offering 2.2:1.

The reason I'd expand his range (very slightly) to more than just a set is because Ian is on Tilt and playing SLAG. I assume the Villain would have noticed all this and hence why I'd increase the range of the Villain to more than just a set, but even based solely on the odds against a set, I'd call.

Although, I'm not sure what position the Villain was in. Did he limp/call PF, then CR the flop. It certainly does look like a set if this is the case, but given the odds and the image Ian would have at the moment, I'd call.

ianmc38

BigCityBanker wrote:

another quick question - when Joe pushed did he do his trademark - look around the room like his head rotates 360', spark random conversation with a guy next to him about whatever is on the closest tv, and disucss the last pot again? If he done any of those 3 he is miles behind.

No he didnt give off any of his trademark tells.

Ste, the action was limp call from villain preflop. AFAIR he was UTG+2

BigCityBanker

At what time today will you disclose which 2 pair he had?? I will take a look back in then.

cardshark202

Hand one: i think you answered the question yourself here, i would push.

Hand two: This looks pretty foldable to me, though the pots odds are juicy, maybe push.

30something

Hand 1 they go over the line - JQ? Then UL - Spade then UL. Otherwise happy days

Hand 2 Run away - very, very, far

Scouser in Dub

Why is a call out of the question in Hand 1? Surely a push can't fail to give Villain 3 odds to call?

ianmc38

Because there will be 420 in the pot. Neither of us could for 130 more on the turn

RoundTower

push both hands. Hand 2 is close, I was going to say fold but it looks like it is only 105 more to call, you are almost priced in against a set and if he occasionally has something like bottom 2 or even 9J (surely even a "very tight" player pushes those hands here) you are just about in good shape against his range given the pot odds.

myflipflops

El Stuntman wrote:

hand 1: do the patented Phil Hellmuth push 'n flip

hand 2: do the patented El Stuntman fold 'n wait

Agree with the above especially when below is taken into account.

ianmc38 wrote:

Villain 3 is grey haired Joe for those that play the SE.

ianmc38

Hand 1: I folded after an age.

Villain 1 had K9s, Villain 2 had AT and Joe had J7s, so would have been freerolling me for the sidepot.

A spade hit the river so villain 1 scooped the pot.

Hand 2: I thought he might be making a move with a similar holding to me because i was playing so lag. I was getting better than 2-1 on the call and against the range of hands I gave him, it was about right. The villain tabled 99 and i missed my outs.

Flushdraw

ianmc38 wrote:

Hand 1: I folded after an age.

Villain 1 had K9s, Villain 2 had AT and Joe had J7s, so would have been freerolling me for the sidepot.

A spade hit the river so villain 1 scooped the pot.

Hand 2: I thought he might be making a move with a similar holding to me because i was playing so lag. I was getting better than 2-1 on the call and against the range of hands I gave him, it was about right. The villain tabled 99 and i missed my outs.

I hit the SE about 2am last night and i got this bad beat story from Joe almost as soon as i sat down!

fuzzbox

Shove hand 1, and fold hand 2 (and I would check the flop a lot)

fuzzbox

RoundTower wrote:

push both hands. Hand 2 is close, I was going to say fold but it looks like it is only 105 more to call, you are almost priced in against a set and if he occasionally has something like bottom 2 or even 9J (surely even a "very tight" player pushes those hands here) you are just about in good shape against his range given the pot odds.

A very tight player doesnt HAVE those hands here.

myflipflops

Flushdraw wrote:

I hit the SE about 2am last night and i got this bad beat story from Joe almost as soon as i sat down!

my mate and i have dubbed him "bad beat" joe because he does nothing but tell of his awful luck. a nice guy but a nightmare to sit beside,

DeVore

I probably push on both.
I might have played the flop differently but in the situations you describe I dont like folding and I dont like calling (definitely not calling).

DeV.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

Shove hand 1, and fold hand 2 (and I would check the flop a lot)

Why check the flop alot? That's a perfect flop for me n'est pas?

Pwhite, I think everyone has dubbed him Bad Beat Joe. Never shuts the fúck up about them. Nice guy as you say but brutal to sit beside for a night.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Why check the flop alot? That's a perfect flop for me n'est pas?

How do you figure that?

Describe the action again - this time start with ... very tight player does XXX in YYY position, then calls a raise, then tell me why you think this flop is perfect for you.

This is not a terrible flop, but its not a perfect flop.