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How 'DECENT' are you?

  • 18-09-2006 2:35pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187
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    OK, long story short, my contract is up this week, my job has to be re-advertised internal (standard procedure).
    My boss told me I had no need to apply elsewhere, as my interview was really just a formality, and that I would be made permanent.
    Then I get this sick feeling that someone else is going to apply, someone older then me, who has been here longer, and has much more experience then me - I start to worry.
    This person's job is actually being made redundant - and they are seriously on the look out for internal adverts, so that they can stay working within the company.
    They have a kid and a mortgage - and they just told me that they had intended on applying for the position, until they realised it was my job, and they I had no desire to leave the company

    We both know that had they applied they would certainly been offered the permanent contract - and I can't get over their decency and loyalty.

    (For all you cynics, I checked with a pal in HR and they are not trying to pull the proverbial wool over my eyes, they definitely have not applied of the job)

    It got me thinking, if roles were reversed and I was facing the boot, a job crops up that I am interested in - I have a kid, and a mortgage - do I stand down out of loyalty to a kid with no bills or responsibilities?

    I really can't say that I would have been as decent as the person in question.

    What about you lot?
    Have you been in a similar situation?
    Would you go for it, or stand down out of loyalty?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 Archeron
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    Never been in that position, but if I was, I dont think I'd stand down. Certainly not if theres a mortgage and a kid to look after.
    I'd probably explain to the other person the reason why I was going to still go after the position and wish them luck, hope that the best person wins, and that they dont go spreading rumours about you to make themselves look better.
    At the end of the day, you would hope that whoever doesnt get the job will find gainful emplyment elsewhere quite quickly. Thanks be for a vibrant jobs market.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 Darragh29
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    I would put money on with you that there is more to this than you're aware of at the moment...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,655 road_high
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    Definitely more to this than meets the eye. Why if they are there longer than you have they not advanced further and made permanent or whatever previous to this? I reckon this person has other options lined up that you don't know about. Surely if they were competent at their job the company wouldn't want to let them go either.
    Call me cynical, but I doubt they are just being polite and 'letting' you have the job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 Darragh29
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    mfitzy wrote:
    Definitely more to this than meets the eye. Why if they are there longer than you have they not advanced further and made permanent or whatever previous to this? I reckon this person has other options lined up that you don't know about. Surely if they were competent at their job the company wouldn't want to let them go either.
    Call me cynical, but I doubt they are just being polite and 'letting' you have the job.

    If your employer is unprofessional enough to actually tell you that your appointment to the position is a foregone conclusion, even though it is still open to other more qualified and experienced people to still apply for it, I'd say you could be looking at a situation where this other person has been sucessful in getting a better position with another company and has told your own employer, maybe hoping that they will come back with a better offer, which might be your job!

    Alternatively this person has most likely got a better job with another company and has set themselves up for a few bob from redundancy and therefore they are better off for not taking your position because to do so would deprive themselves of a redundancy payment. It would be highly unprofessional of anyone in HR to discuss this persons intentions with you btw.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 141 bubthatub
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    your boss told you that the job was yours. does he know that? maybe if he did he would not waste his time goin for the job and he could spend his time looking somewhere else for a job


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,560 DublinWriter
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    Mrs_Doyle wrote:
    OK, long story short, my contract is up this week, my job has to be re-advertised internal (standard procedure).
    Who's standard procedure? Doesn't sound like any HR Best-Practice I've ever heard of. Were you hired as a contractor, or was the role advertised as being perm with the usual probationary period?
    Mrs_Doyle wrote:
    My boss told me I had no need to apply elsewhere, as my interview was really just a formality, and that I would be made permanent.
    Oral contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on.
    Mrs_Doyle wrote:
    What about you lot?Have you been in a similar situation?
    Would you go for it, or stand down out of loyalty?
    Yes. Basically screw the employer, because they won't think twice about screwing you.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,663 faceman
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    If the other person is being made redundant then they cannot be re-employed by the company as far as my understanding on employment law is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 Mrs_Doyle
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    Wow, just logged in, what a cynical bunch you all are :D

    Ok, its only an admin job, requires no great skill. The other person I mentioned is much older then me, and I think she has worked part time for some time now, but only returned to full time hours in the last year.

    When I interviewed for my job I was placed on a 6 month fixed term contract - which ends this week.

    The other person was on a similar contratc - 9 month instead of 6, but she had worked on a 6 month contract previous to that, in another part of the company.

    Without going into too much detail, lets say the company is called HOUSE, and there are lots of little companies working within.

    We work for two different internal companies at the moment, the other persons contract is drawing to a close and the role made redundent, my contract is drawing to a close and the position made permanent.

    It was advertised as internally and my boss told me I wouldn't have anything to worry about, but I think the main reason for this was because it didn't look like anyone else was looking for a transfer of depts, etc - in other words, it looked like the only other candidates for the job would be temps, and I would certainly have an advantage over them as I had carried out the role for the last 6 months, got to know the clients, agents, various systems, etc.

    That was of course, until the person I keep mentioning discovered that their contract would not be made permanent.

    Ha, so much for keeping the long story short, ey? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,560 DublinWriter
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    Mrs_Doyle wrote:
    Wow, just logged in, what a cynical bunch you all are :D
    Well just remember that your employer will only be a loyal to you as their legal obligations allow.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,537 Black Swan
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    Was hired not too long ago to temporarily replace someone out sick. Did a grand job. They offered me her job, and I took it. It was a big break for my career. So I guess I failed the "Decency" test. *hangs head and shuffles off*


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 Ruu_Old
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    Was hired not too long ago to temporarily replace someone out sick. Did a grand job. They offered me her job, and I took it. It was a big break for my career. So I guess I failed the "Decency" test. *hangs head and shuffles off*

    I was in the above situation before and took the job, I guess I was the better person. *shrug*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,349 nobodythere
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    It was probably his way of asking for your permission to apply for the job.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,945 dr.bollocko
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    This job is there for you. U shouldnt be concerned about the problems of another, and nor should another's misfortune colour your good news or make you feel bad about doing what is right for you. If they have more experience than you they will find it easier to get something permanent. Also, there is mortgage protection insurance... I dont think that it is a matter of decency, you cant just step aside and ignore your career goals because of a guilt trip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,350 Lust4Life
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    I was in that situation just last April. My postition was being eliminated along with 6 others.

    The Big Boss called me into his office and told me there would only be two positions available in that department, and since I was so "valuable" he was offering me one of them.

    I asked him what the job would entail, and he described exactly what my co-worker (and good friend) did on a daily basis.

    Now my co-worker doesn't have the best attendence or the best attitude, and I could have jumped in and done the job much better than she did. But her husband had just started his own business and they were really struggling to make ends meet. She really needed that job.

    The more I thought about it, the more angry it made me that the big boss would go behind her back and offer me her job while she thought her place in the company was secure!

    I declined the position and never told her about it. I may tell her some night in a pub... maybe. It's probably best to just leave it be. I should have just told the boss to stick it up his big brown orafice!

    I'm much better off being out of the corporate world. Too much back-stabbing going on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,186 Sangre
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    Thats why its a stinger to work under American labour laws!

    Anyway, there is no way any sane person will stand aside on a job if they need one, especially with a house or mortgage invovled. Either she knows something you don't or has a number of other prospects.
    The employer won't care, they'll always take the best qualified employee, they'd be mad not to.

    Ask employer to put the offer in writing, as you're looking into securing some loans or something. If the job is being internally advertised, it isn't secure in the slightest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 460 Lurk
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    Agree entirely with this:
    Darragh29 wrote:
    It would be highly unprofessional of anyone in HR to discuss this persons intentions with you btw.

    I'd be as mad as a big mad bull if HR mentioned anything about me to another employee.


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