.5/1 NLH cash hand

accensi0n

In the BB with Q 10o.
One limper from MP. Everyone else folds.
Flop Q95r.

I check call a bet of 1.

Turn is a Q.

I check call a bet of 8. (Twice the pot)

River is a blank. No flush possible. I check. He bets 16.

I should?

Havn't seen him do anything yet but havn't been paying much attention.

He had about 100 bb's.

opr

I make a crying call. Think if we raise we only get called by a hand that beats us. What is he betting with that he would have limped in MP Q9,QJ,QK all of which have us beat.

Opr

valor

Bet the flop.

As played, call

kevthecelt

Is this hand not played very weakly? Youre losing money from not raising the flop and turn, but that said, it could be good for inducing a big bluff on the river.

opr

kevthecelt wrote:

Is this hand not played very weakly? Youre losing money from not raising the flop and turn, but that said, it could be good for inducing a big bluff on the river.

Why do you think raising the flop is a good idea ?

Opr

Hectorjelly

you played the hand well, allthough you should definitely bet that flop some of the time

30something

You could CR his flop bet for $3-$5 to find out for sure if he has Q. If that's called your likely to play the rest of the hand cheap cause he'll be worried your trapping, unless he has Q9, then your in a spot.

NickyOD

30something wrote:

You could CR his flop bet for $3-$5 to find out for sure if he has Q. If that's called your likely to play the rest of the hand cheap cause he'll be worried your trapping, unless he has Q9, then your in a spot.

Check raising with top pair and marginal kicker on a rainbow flop is probably the worst way to play this hand. Leading the flop or check-calling and leading the turn are both much better.

opr

NickyOD wrote:

Check raising with top pair and marginal kicker on a rainbow flop is probably the worst way to play this hand. Leading the flop or check-calling and leading the turn are both much better.

I like check calling the flop but then why is leading the turn after this a good idea ? Should we not be giving the villian another oportunity to bluff at this .... if we lead do we do only get called by a hand that beats us ?


Opr

Hectorjelly

opr wrote:

I like check calling the flop but then why is leading the turn after this a good idea ? Should be not be giving the villian another oportunity to bluff at us if we lead do we do only get called by a hand that beats us ?


Opr

I was just thinking that

Rnger

30something wrote:

You could CR his flop bet for $3-$5 to find out for sure if he has Q. If that's called your likely to play the rest of the hand cheap cause he'll be worried your trapping, unless he has Q9, then your in a spot.

Although if he dosent have the Q, check calling is the best way to make the most money. JT will call most raises on this flop aswel. I cant see many hands you beat here bar a low pp, 9T or some random holding a maniac may limp with. I'm certainly not raising here on the end. I might make a crying call if i had a bit more info on the player eg. if he makes 3 barreled bluffs! Very marginal call as played

Hectorjelly

Rnger wrote:

Although if he dosent have the Q, check calling is the best way to make the most money. JT will call most raises on this flop aswel. I cant see many hands you beat here bar a low pp, 9T or some random holding a maniac may limp with. I'm certainly not raising here on the end. I might make a crying call if i had a bit more info on the player eg. if he makes 3 barreled bluffs! Very marginal call as played

This is nothing close to a marginal calll. THe pot was heads up and accension showed no strength at all during the hand A lot of opponents just keep firing once they start at this level, it doesnt have to make much sense. Easy easy call. I agree about not raising

NickyOD

opr wrote:

I like check calling the flop but then why is leading the turn after this a good idea ? Should we not be giving the villian another oportunity to bluff at this .... if we lead do we do only get called by a hand that beats us ?
Opr

Sorry, I was talking in terms of you plan for the hand before you see the turn card. should have made that clearer. If another Queen doesn't come off I'd prefer to lead out.

Ste05

I think this hand was played fine. Sometimes I'll lead the flop, but check calling is fine too IMO, on the river it's a call.

accensi0n

Having shown no strength in the hand I called the river bet pretty quickly.
I think playing the flop and turn the way I did is fine.

Anyone have any arguements for playing the hand differant on any of the streets that havn't been mentioned already?

brianmc

I like the way the hand was played but I'm starting to get very wary of a weak bet followed by a strong bet. Especially if the board falls like it did there.

I still call... but I'm tempted to start calling less in future.