Shortstack strategy

dingle

In a live €100 FO game last night I became shortstacked through a combination of bad cards and bad play. I had 5300 chips left. blinds 400 & 800 In the past couple of orbits I have sayed alive by robbing blinds with very mediocre hands. I am not getting any cards and I am losing patience. My table image would be tight.

With blinds about to go up to 500/1000 Player X in EP raises to 2500. At one from cutoff I look down to see KQo which represents the best hand i've seen in a number of orbits. Player X is a very good player who has been playing solidly but who is capable of making moves. He has over 20k in chips.If I push Player X will obviously call the extra 2800

So....Fold or Push ?

5starpool

Fold and open push next opportunity you get. This isn't 'the' player x you are referring to I am guessing. KQ could be in bad shape against a good few hands. I would rather push in this spot with 89 or the like. Of course he could have an underpair or Ax (not K/Q) but I still rather open push than be guaranteed a race (possibly very eneven race) with KQo.

Bandana boy

I would say the likelyhood of him making a move in ep is lower than him making it in lp
you say he is solid so I would be suprised if he was making a move with out a least a hand ahead of yours under pp or ax which is close and a % of the time a completely dominating you hand of AK AQ AA KK QQ
so in all i think fold

jimbling

dingle wrote:

In a live €100 FO game last night I became shortstacked through a combination of bad cards and bad play. I had 5300 chips left. blinds 400 & 800 In the past couple of orbits I have sayed alive by robbing blinds with very mediocre hands. I am not getting any cards and I am losing patience. My table image would be tight.

With blinds about to go up to 500/1000 Player X in EP raises to 2500. At one from cutoff I look down to see KQo which represents the best hand i've seen in a number of orbits. Player X is a very good player who has been playing solidly but who is capable of making moves. He has over 20k in chips.If I push Player X will obviously call the extra 2800

So....Fold or Push ?

What are the other stacks on the table. This is quite important. If player X doesnt think he is risking his stack it widens the range quite a bit. If there is a few other big stacks in later positions it makes it far less likely that its a move.
I would fold. Just because KQ looks pretty, doesnt make it any good. It's behind too many EP raising hands. And dominated by most.
I would much prefer to push with small connectors in a hand or two.

ollyk1

dingle wrote:

In a live €100 FO game last night I became shortstacked through a combination of bad cards and bad play. I had 5300 chips left. blinds 400 & 800 In the past couple of orbits I have sayed alive by robbing blinds with very mediocre hands. I am not getting any cards and I am losing patience. My table image would be tight.

With blinds about to go up to 500/1000 Player X in EP raises to 2500. At one from cutoff I look down to see KQo which represents the best hand i've seen in a number of orbits. Player X is a very good player who has been playing solidly but who is capable of making moves. He has over 20k in chips.If I push Player X will obviously call the extra 2800

So....Fold or Push ?

It depends what way have the flops been coming?

In fairness the consensus seems to be to wait and open push and I can't argue with that unless you have a tell or something I'd fold.

NickyOD

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dingle

In hindsight I shouldn't even have posted this, I guess I was hoping for some justification for making a bad play. In my defence I was not getting any cards and when I had something even remotely marginal someone raised before me. I guess frustration won out in the end.

If anyone is interested Player X ( not 'the' Player X, but I hate that villain/hero stuff) had AJ which I was relatively happy about until he flopped two aces.

HalfBaked

Nicky,

Do you really push here?

Do you think a player, who the op's descibed as solid, is going to be raising from UTG with a hand that KQ is beating?

HalfBaked

Dingle, was this in silks last night?

dingle

No, Pokerevents in Greenhills, Limerick

HalfBaked

Just wondering, I had almost the exact situation happen last night in silks, even to the blind level and chip count. I was player x in that hand and had AJ...scary!

NickyOD

HalfBaked wrote:

Nicky,

Do you really push here?

Do you think a player, who the op's descibed as solid, is going to be raising from UTG with a hand that KQ is beating?

He didn't say he was UTG. Next hand he will have 5 BBs left. With the blinds already represnting a almost a quater of your stack you're almost getting the correct pot odds to take a 6 to 4. It's time to gambole!! I'd be very happy to see AJ here.

ianmc38

HalfBaked wrote:

Just wondering, I had almost the exact situation happen last night in silks, even to the blind level and chip count. I was player x in that hand and had AJ...scary!

Reread the OP.

Player X is a very good player

QED.

Bandana boy

NickyOD wrote:

I'd be very happy to see AJ here.

I think we would all be happy to see Ax or any under pp here but we know this is the least of his range and i think AQ AK does essentially the same move and if that happens we are feeling foolish.
hence it should be a fold

jimbling

NickyOD wrote:

He didn't say he was UTG. Next hand he will have 5 BBs left. With the blinds already represnting a almost a quater of your stack you're almost getting the correct pot odds to take a 6 to 4. It's time to gambole!! I'd be very happy to see AJ here.

This is the wrong time to decide to gambole. Why not for the last 3 hands or the next 3 hands? is it cause they look so perrrty?
4/7o open push is better than calling with KQ to this EP raiser.

If your looking for stategical advice, I would have been pushing before this hand. any hand that hadn't been opened i would probably push...until I move up or am knocked out. But calling when your likely to be dominated just doesn't sit right in the stomach

Hectorjelly

definite fold

cardshark202

Hectorjelly wrote:

definite fold IMO

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ianmc38

Hectorjelly wrote:

definite fold

holla

phantom_lord

Fold

You wanna push where there's one or two limpers, or where it's been folded around to you and you stand a decent chance of taking it down preflop. Not pushing into a ep raiser with kqo.

Norwich Fan Rob

yes, 100% fold.

NickyOD

I guess it's a fold then.

ArmaniJeanss

NickyOD wrote:

I guess it's a fold then.

Your new avatar would be proud of your easy change of opinion.

jimbling

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Your new avatar would be proud of your easy change of opinion.

lmao

5starpool

er, eh, fold