How bad did i play these hands??

boba_fett3099

Was playing pokerevents 100 DC in swords tonight and was just wondering what people thought of how i played these two hands..

Hand 1

Im in BB and i've just warned this lad not to raise it and like a gent he does..Blinds 50/100 i have about 2500, he covers. He makes it 350 from UTG+1, Button calls and SB calls. I look down at 4s6c and call.

As the dealer is dealing the flop i call for a 5...

Flop: 5c 7c 4c (1400)

SB checks, i lead for 650 (comments?), UTG+1 thinks and calls, button folds.

Now i've decided to push any non-club turn...

Turn: Qd (2700)

I push he calls and shows KhQc and river is a brick.

Thoughts on this hand?


Hand 2

Again its on my BB, i've taken my rebuy and i've played a few pots but im down to 2200 and i'm the short stack on the table.

Blinds 75/150, Villian makes it 450 from MP2, folded to me I call with Qs9s.

Flop: Ks Qd 7c (975)

I check intending to checkraise all in here but he checks behind.

Turn: 10s (975)

I push for 1750, he call and shows AhJd and no spade on the river and im gone.

luckyvegas7

Dump pre flop...

Push the flop... ur mistake was giving both players a free turn...take it down on the flop not the turn is my opinion.

RoundTower

fold both hands preflop, you are just too short stacked. In the 2nd hand you can call/push if the guy is raising all the time, but normally let it go.

Postflop both hands are played well.

ollyk1

boba_fett3099 wrote:

Was playing pokerevents 100 DC in swords tonight and was just wondering what people thought of how i played these two hands..

Hand 1

Im in BB and i've just warned this lad not to raise it and like a gent he does..Blinds 50/100 i have about 2500, he covers. He makes it 350 from UTG+1, Button calls and SB calls. I look down at 4s6c and call.

As the dealer is dealing the flop i call for a 5...

Flop: 5c 7c 4c (1400)

SB checks, i lead for 650 (comments?), UTG+1 thinks and calls, button folds.

Now i've decided to push any non-club turn...

Turn: Qd (2700)

I push he calls and shows KhQc and river is a brick.

Thoughts on this hand?


Hand 2

Again its on my BB, i've taken my rebuy and i've played a few pots but im down to 2200 and i'm the short stack on the table.

Blinds 75/150, Villian makes it 450 from MP2, folded to me I call with Qs9s.

Flop: Ks Qd 7c (975)

I check intending to checkraise all in here but he checks behind.

Turn: 10s (975)

I push for 1750, he call and shows AhJd and no spade on the river and im gone.

Are you 5pin5 in disguise?? Is your name Norman?

unir1916

Have to agree with roundtower you should not have been involved in either hand at that stage:(

gocall01

Hand 1 - fold or rasie to 1100/1200 pre-flop.
Call always leaves you oop in this situation.

Hand 2 - fold would be my preferred move here.
Nice to see a cheap flop but the raise gets me out here.
I would be looking for a better position.

jimbling

fold both pre-flop - you dont have the chips to be playing around.

once called.
1st hand is a definite flop push. why would you wait around here?
2nd hand - I would have thought you were still behind here and would like to fold. But with so few chips and after calling preflop, push.

Bandana boy

How long is a piece of string ?

you have to push both flops your should not be looking to milk chips with such marginal hands while your are short stacked in a MTT
Although hand 1 is not an awful bet on flop i still prefer push here
both pots give you 50% increase in chips if you get a fold on flop which is a great return on these rags

boba_fett3099

I agree that a fold pre-flop or a stop and go in hand 2 is definately the best play but in hand one im getting just over 4/1 on my money so i dont think i can fold here for 250 and at this point i wasn't that short compared to the blinds.

Culchie

boba_fett3099 wrote:

I agree that a fold pre-flop or a stop and go in hand 2 is definately the best play but in hand one im getting just over 4/1 on my money so i dont think i can fold here for 250 and at this point i wasn't that short compared to the blinds.

This is too simplistic a view to look at your hand ranking/standing. It's an excuse to call with any sort of muck.

You have massive negative implied odds, and you are out of position to boot.

boba_fett3099

Culchie wrote:

This is too simplistic a view to look at your hand ranking/standing. It's an excuse to call with any sort of muck.

You have massive negative implied odds, and you are out of position to boot.

I have to disagree with this and i am not trying to use the odds as an excuse to call. Here is what i believe the villans range was:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 29.0793 % 27.37% 01.71% { 88+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 26.7727 % 25.20% 01.57% { JJ-55, AJs-A6s, KJs+, QJs, AJo-A6o, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 3: 24.8927 % 23.41% 01.48% { TT-22, AQs-A5s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, AQo-ATo, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 4: 19.2553 % 19.01% 00.24% { 6c4s }

So i am clearly getting the odds to call and i dont know what you mean by "negative implied odds" its not as if im goin to pay him off if i hit one pair...do you mean reverse implied odds? Because i dont think that applies in this situation. I think i had big enough implied odds seeing as it was a multi-way pot and i could easily get away from my hand if i didnt flop big.

Edit: added ranges of two callers.

Culchie

boba_fett3099 wrote:

I have to disagree with this and i am not trying to use the odds as an excuse to call. Here is what i believe the villans range was:

Hand 1: 71.2763 % 71.02% 00.26% { 99+, ATs+, KTs+, AQo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 28.7237 % 28.47% 00.26% { 6c4s }

So i am clearly getting the odds to call and i dont know what you mean by "negative implied odds" its not as if im goin to pay him off if i hit one pair...do you mean reverse implied odds? Because i dont think that applies in this situation. I think i had big enough implied odds seeing as it was a multi-way pot and i could easily get away from my hand if i didnt flop big.

Isn't there 4 people in the first hand? ... Not 2 (excuse me if I misread)

boba_fett3099

Culchie wrote:

Isn't there 4 people in the first hand? ... Not 2 (excuse me if I misread)

Yes you are correct and i edited my post to include the ranges of the two callers