KK, raise - reraise - cold-call

fuzzbox

reraiser is 22/11 over 200 hands or so
cold caller is mad ...mats...82 - who I think is a good player from what I remember. (playing 33/8)

1/2 NL

Effective stacks 200

Preflop
I open utg to 7 with KK, dude reraises to 22 next to act, mats cold calls .... your move?

pok3rplaya

all our options suck but I think reraise is the best of a bad lot.

pok3rplaya

Reraiser's range is like JJ+, AK maybe AQ. What are your stats?
Mats range is all pairs and AK.

It costs alot on the flop to find if he hit or not.

rogue trader

pok3rplaya "all our options suck but I think reraise is the best of a bad lot"



Firstly, raising to 7 from 2 says nothing about your hand so neither villain can think you have KK. You could have anything from 77 to AQ. The villain's raise imo represents JJ, QQ, AK or your worst fear AA. However the odds are 220-1 for him to pick up AA and you have the second best hand in poker.

2 options here and neither is a fold;

1. Call and hoping for no Ace and try to extract max value. If someone hits trips, it's unfortunate.

2. And in my view the better option, Reraise and be prepared to call an all-in. If someone has AA so be it.

Ste05

yuck....

I suppose I'd just make it 75 and call a push (I'd think our range would look like AA, KK, QQ, AK - maybe JJ), or if by some mad miracle someone cold calls again, I'd just push any flop without a K in it, if a K flops I'll check and push turn if it's checked around.

Lafortezza

Call and get it in on a non-A flop 75%, push now 25%

rogue trader

Ste05 wrote:

yuck....

Please explain

Samba

I like Lukes line here, if we re-raise and we have the best hand (which i think is fair to presume based on notes) we give them a chance to escape unscathed!

I'm happily playing KK in a 3 way pot but let's see a flop, if we push we take the play out of the hand....

Ste05

rogue trader wrote:

Please explain

I was just referring to the situation, not your post, should have made that clear apologies...

Samba

LOL Ste - it's amazing how we have to tip toe around the forum these days!

rogue trader

Ste05 wrote:

I was just referring to the situation, not your post, should have made that clear apologies...

Sorry, so was I.
Why is this a poor situation to be in when we have KK?

fuzzbox

rogue trader wrote:

Sorry, so was I.
Why is this a poor situation to be in when we have KK?

because, if we raise, they fold all worse hands, but if we call, they flop a lot of sets/Aces

Ste05

Samba wrote:

LOL Ste - it's amazing how we have to tip toe around the forum these days!

LOL, Yeah, I know. I don't think Rogue Trader was winding up or anything there, but just to be on the safe side... :rolleyes:

rogue trader

and we if we raise and they fold we net 47$ uncontested which is a 25% return on our money. Do you think they fold QQ?

fuzzbox

rogue trader wrote:

and we if we raise and they fold we net 47$ uncontested which is a 25% return on our money. Do you think they fold QQ?

But if they fold they tend to be a 4:1 underdog (or 3:1), yet if they call then we are a 4:1 underdog (because they have AA).

As for QQ - do you call with QQ when the action goes - raise, reraise, call, shove ?

Ste05

rogue trader wrote:

Sorry, so was I.
Why is this a poor situation to be in when we have KK?

Well in addition to Samba's comments, I also don't like the situation because a re-raise from a tight player (VPiP of 22) would have a very tight range, AA, KK, QQ, AK and again maybe JJ & TT,

Of those hands we're guaranteed AA and KK call, and depending on how we've been playing he might fold QQ, JJ and AK to a re-raise. In addition in we call we'll have to play the whole hand OOP, and with at least 2 betting rounds before we get a weaker hand all-in, therefore it's difficult to stack someone. IMO the best way is to re-raise and hope that UTG+1 keeps us on our full range and pushes with his similar range, (of which we're ahead of most of his hands) then if the mad man decides to call for value I think I prefer that option.

It would probably depend on how we've been playing, with my usual style of 30+/10+ I'd be happy that his full range would push here making a re-raise my best option in this scenario.

rogue trader

Re QQ, as you seem to know these guys well and rate them, i will assume they fold QQ on a re raise but given that this is 1/2 NL, i've seen players call re raises with a lot less.

Ste05

rogue trader wrote:

Re QQ, as you seem to know these guys well and rate them, i will assume they fold QQ on a re raise but given that this is 1/2 NL, i've seen players call re raises with a lot less.

I've had many situations similar to this with AA and KK and it always amazes me what hands push over the top of my re-raise, I've seen many AKs, QQ, and JJ, even AQ and AJ :eek: :eek:.. But as I say this is probably a by-product of my SLAG style... (I've calmed down lately from my LAG days - too much variance)

cardshark202

Call and check-raise all in on a non A flop.

Bandana boy

if you push Mad mats will call with QQ JJ AK he is a good winning player but he calls a lot of big raises with these hands

Villain 1 appears tight but i think on 1-2 QQ + AK looks you up here a lot