calling clock

Bandana boy

So I am overly fond of the push
Got a big hand push
sense weakness push
Scare card arrives push

I am at it all the time and it would be a great part of my game if i didnt over use it

So lately live I have found myself in a couple of scenarios where on river I have just pushed and villains who would normally fold there tp to this action are contemplating the call because it is from push boy
now ihave the goods and air here

Now after two mins i would normally call clock lets get on with it.
I noticed though if I call clock I tend to get called more than if I let them work it out for themselves

Does calling clock induce a call ?

Norwich Fan Rob

i called clock on a guy in vegas, trying to get him to call, and it worked.
I also passed a hand where another guy didnt call clock on me, after i was taking an age.

ollyk1

I can't ever remember having the clock called on me (except in jest) by a player I was in a hand with. How long are these guys taking to make the decision??

If I have a dwell at some stage of a hands its for a real reason and its generally fairly obvious but I don't overdo it so I guess thats why people don't call clock. Or else they are too busy trying to resist the glare!! lol

I can't really vote on this poll as a result though except to say that it depends on how the player is when they call clock if I can pick up a read (I've seen it happen to other players while I was at the table). I have seen people call clock in an effort to get a call and I've seen people do it as a double bluff to induce a fold. So I think you have to add another option of it d) it depends. I do think you risk a tell by calling clock against a good player but against a poor player it may be a way to get a desired result.

Do people call clock on you very often Bandana?

I have had clock called on my opponents by other players twice when I was running a semi-bluff. Scary stuff as it pushes peeps to a call in those circumstances but both my opponents eventually layed their hands down face up and I told them good fold.

Bandana boy

ollyk1 wrote:

Do people call clock on you very often Bandana?

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Never happened to me
I have usually worked out what I think villains range is in my head before the river
As a result I am quick to make decisions on river often to my own detriment

The only time a I dally is when i was planning to bluff river and someones got all in before I can
Then i delay for show oooh big hand when in fact I have air

Gholimoli

im on the same boat as Ollie.
ive never had the clock called on me and ive never called the clock on any one either.
i think its dues to the fact that us internet players(don’t mean you Ollie so don’t come back with an insult) are used to making decisions fast which is actually a weak part of my game. if i only took more time that is available to me in live games i could analyse a lot better and make better plays.
Sigh...

Norwich Fan Rob

ive rarely if ever seen it in dublin, but in the main event in vegas, it was quite common for someone to take 5 mins + to decide.
I had it called on me about 3 times on day 1 at the main event.
Initially for a big laydown, and then a huge call for my tourney life with Q9 when my opp had Q9 also.

ianmc38

Playing a cash game the other night i had the clock called on me twice. Thanks to a post from Dev, I said "if you are seriously calling the clock, then I promise you I will let it go all the way down to one second before I make a decision. I have a good hand and havnt taken particularly long." Then under my breath I said "shove the clock up your hole you fúcktard".

Oberon called the clock on me before when I had second pair on a paired board with one overcard. This induced me to call and my hand was good. Unless someones taking hours over every decision, its a shít thing to do. I don't think it reflects the strength of a hand.

Norwich Fan Rob

against Oberon 2nd pair is usually an easy call !!!

LuckyLloyd

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30something

In the Friday Night Fitz scalps couple of weeks ago, table three breaks leaving us with two. A couple of guys join our table from the broken one. One guy was an Eastern European, the other a regular. In the first hand it came to the European and the other new guy immediately called clock on him, he literally only looked at his cards. A couple of eyebrows raised and the dealer started counting. Turned out that the European had been taking forever on every hand at the other table. This sorted the problem out.

Here the clock was used for the right reason. I've never called the clock on anyone and don't think it should be used unless someone is messing.

EDIT: Jeeze, I'm so righteous!

DeVore

Let me be clear on my clock policy thing. If I have been taking a while and someone calls clock, I'll accept and acknowledge it as fair and make a decision as quickly as I feel comfortable with. If I think someone is trying to use the rule to needle me or pressurise me I'll take the full 60 seconds regardless.

I only call clock on people who are blatantly wasting time or simply not even considering the game and just holding things up. (see my next blog, part two of Toil and Trouble...) I never use it in relation to my hand so I cant answer the OP's question from my pov.

Its there to protect the small stacks from being slowed down from seeing hands and effectively frozen out of the game. I think a player should be allowed at least a minute or two before clock is called and if its done respectfully most players will acknoledge they need to make a decision.

DeV.

Lafortezza

DeVore wrote:

If I think someone is trying to use the rule to needle me or pressurise me I'll take the full 60 seconds regardless.

I only call clock on people who are blatantly wasting time or simply not even considering the game and just holding things up.

These two things sounds suspiciously like the same thing. 2 wrongs do not make a right, sir!

califano

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

against Oberon 2nd pair is usually an easy call !!!

Now you tell me!. I laid down top pair against him when he called the clock on me last week. TOP PAIR!.

boba_fett3099

30something wrote:

In the first hand it came to the European and the other new guy immediately called clock on him, he literally only looked at his cards.

I dont know about the Fitz but i work as a dealer for Pokerevents and the ruling is that a player must be allowed a reasonable amount of time before a clock can be called and he then has 60 seconds to act on his hand. If a player calls a clock immediately id tell them this and allow the player enough time to act on his hand. Can a clock be called immediately in the fitz?

Interestingly enough i heard a story that in the Irish open some scandie re-raised some guy all in and said clock immediately. The other guy calls and shows KK and the scandie has AA. This shouldn't be allowed IMO

ollyk1

rounders123 wrote:

Now you tell me!. I laid down top pair against him when he called the clock on me last week. TOP PAIR!.

Unfortunately its also the reason I paid him off with QQ when he had AA in the EPT sat when I was seeminlgy cruising to the FT. Sometimes loose players have the goods....

Flushdraw

I've never called the clock on anyone before and personally i dont believe it should be called for in a cash game unless it really goes beyond a joke. Generally speaking, theres never much of a dwell up unless the pots are quite large and anyways, it also helps you get a read off people watching them think for so long.

In a tournie, where blinds are involved, i think its acceptable for a player not in the hand to call clock because being a short stack, and watching the blinds going up is really frustrating when players purposely slow down to try and gain advantage of this.

You notice it more when a tournie comes down to the final 2 tables and players hang on by a thread hoping the other table will lose players

LuckyLloyd

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DeVore

lafortezza wrote:

These two things sounds suspiciously like the same thing. 2 wrongs do not make a right, sir!

Nope, the difference is that I'm not blatently wasting time or simply arsing about for no reason. I just get pissed when people use the rule to try and harrass others (which is another difference, I'm not!)

DeV.

Lafortezza

DeVore wrote:

Nope, the difference is that I'm not blatently wasting time or simply arsing about for no reason. I just get pissed when people use the rule to try and harrass others (which is another difference, I'm not!)
DeV.

lol, I remember posting this before
What about the other 8 people at the table? If you're teaching 1 fuktard a lesson about manners by taking the full 1 minute clock-time, do the other players also get this lesson?
I'd prefer reporting the idiot to the TD who can have a quiet word with him/her.

DeVore

"Collateral Damage".

Its surprising how fast people learned not to stick clock on me when taking the mick...
Still, this is all off topic.

DeV

Bandana boy

Flushdraw wrote:

I've never called the clock on anyone before and personally i dont believe it should be called for in a cash game

So i obviously dont agree with this as i called clock 5 times in a 2 hour spell during a cash game in se 2 weeks ago

I will generally give a player benefit of the doubt first time they linger on a hand second time as soon as they hit 2 mins i call clock.

imho 3 mins is at least twice the time you should require to make a decision.
In cash game under 3 mins i think it would be unfair for a player not in the hand to make a clock call but over 3 mins fair game.

tournament slightly different i would say once 1 min went past any player could make a clock call esp if you are near bubble

Hitman Actual

Clock was called on me twice in the team event in Citywest, and it's never been called on me before. MrPillowTalk was actually the first guy, but in fairness, it was the last hand before a break, and it was eating into the 10-minute break time. But I didn't think I was taking too long, tbh. Anyway, he bets on the river after flop and turn checks by both of us, but all I have is AJ for A-high on the river. I call eventually and he shows AJ also for the split.

The second time, a Galway player called clock on me after a flop bet by me was raised by the SB... again I didn't think he was strong so I dwelled up. But I took no more than 30 seconds before clock was called and I was livid. I'd clashed with this Galway player twice when I won two races, leaving him short, and I swear he was doing it because he was annoyed over that. So I did what Tom is talking about, taking as much time as possible before moving all-in. Not fair on the other players, though. (BTW, Neill Kelly and MrPillowTalk were on the table: do you guys think I took an age with that decision?).

Anyway, my point is I think calling clock on someone often pushes them towards doing something that you dont want them to do, be it calling/raising or whatever. I only ever dwell up on marginal decisions, and fcuk it, I'm going to take as long as I want to be sure of getting it right. When something feels out of place in a hand, calling clock just makes me feel more suspicious.

jbravado

Ive had the clock called on me a number of times recently.On one occasion after literally one minute-I went nuts and we argued for around 10 minutes.(the guy was not even involved in the hand.)I do find I end up calling when sometimes I may not have with both positive and negative results.

Mr. Flibble

Has anyone ever had or seen the clock being called on the same person in the same hand, once on the turn and once on the river for instance? I wonder what the longest hand of poker ever has been...

RoundTower

Ask Tom, he is an experienced player who has seen it all so he should know.

DeVore

Several times....


DeV.

Corben Dallas

Only once in the Fitz, twice recently in teh SE. Generally called by 'Mr Angry/Assclowns' guys so much on tilt they let it seriously affect their game.

One guy who was pot raising (EP+any other pos) about 2/3 times every round.....and no one was calling him!!!!! I was mulling over his poss hand range and could see he was getting geed up (i had taken 2 mins) and was bout to fold,he called clock, so took another min.(could see steam coming out of his ears) folded.

I would not call clock unless some is taking 2/3 mins for nearly every call when action is on them.