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1/2 PL

Holding 10h6d on the button and I call with 3 limpers

Flop comes 10 10 K

Villain bets out 10eur and other I call others fold

Turn rag Villian bets 25 I raise to 60 he calls

River K

Villain bets 50

What do I do?

NickyOD

Raise the flop.

Gholimoli

of im not mistaken villain bets 50 in to a 150 pot nearly so it looks like he really wants a call cuz he knows he is offering 4:1.
if he had a T he may have check/called there some times as well.
i think this is a fold.
he has a K here most times and the times that he doesnt he would have a T for a chop pot.
with out a read on villain i would fold this.

fuzzbox

fold

That was a little terse : Gholi said it very well - its either a K or a T, so you are splitting or losing, so its not a good bet. However, most often you are losing. If the action was different, and the turn was K and river K, then I would be much more inclined to call, as then a split would be the most likely outcome.

slegs

I folded and there was ructions at the table as to how I could fold a house on this board

I was happy with the fold

As it turned out I was actually behind until the river with his 10 and better kicker but I felt the at absolute best I was splitting and the 50 bet was inviting the call

RoundTower

fold, also fold preflop, also don't show.

Flushdraw

RoundTower wrote:

fold, also fold preflop, also don't show.

Sound advice

slegs

RoundTower wrote:

fold, also fold preflop, also don't show.

yes...I show too much...this was the only hand i showed that night but it was probably the one hand I shouldnt have shown

30something

NickyOD wrote:

Raise the flop.

LOL, so helpful

ocallagh

30something wrote:

LOL, so helpful

more helpful than that!

I agree with Gholi, fold river. Weird how the river was both a good card and a bad card for you.. rarely happens!

padraig_f

I don't like the turn raise.

I would call the river. Even though you're splitting the pot at best, you're still getting 1.5 to 1 on the split. I expect him to bet more on the river with a king since we have shown strength in the hand. i.e. If you suspect your opponent either has the underfull or the same full house as you, do you really bet one third of the pot?

NickyOD

30something wrote:

LOL, so helpful

The fact that both players flopped trips isn't really relevent to how the flop should have been played. Raising is the flop is much better than calling with the intention of raising the turn.

bushboy

simple.dont play ten - six offsuit in a cash game,its a sure way to loose money in the long run and dont mind what anybody says about implied odds etc. your own story is a prime example of how even when u hit a monster your hand still winds up second best

RoundTower

actually I think calling the flop is just as good as raising, OP didn't give stack sizes or suits though.

Lafortezza

bushboy wrote:

simple.dont play ten - six offsuit in a cash game,its a sure way to loose money in the long run and dont mind what anybody says about implied odds etc. your own story is a prime example of how even when u hit a monster your hand still winds up second best

I think this is pretty incorrect. On the flop if you had to pick the worst card in the deck to come on the turn you'd pick either of the 2 remaining Kings.
Any 2 cards are playable from the button in a loose cash game after 3+ limpers.

Gholimoli

lafortezza wrote:

I think this is pretty incorrect. On the flop if you had to pick the worst card in the deck to come on the turn you'd pick either of the 2 remaining Kings.
Any 2 cards are playable from the button in a loose cash game after 3+ limpers.

I agree with the first of part of your post but no the second.
Any two cards are not playable in a loose cash game from the button.
Infact if I had to play any two cards I much rather being in a tight game than in a lose game.
What is your expectation playing any two cards from the button?
Will trash hands like T6 or the likes you must hit at least two pair in order to be able to carry on and that does not happen often.
Infact I think you should tighten your up your range much more in a loose cash game than you would in tight one.
And I certainly don’t see the point of limping here with T6o from the button.
You will need to mix up your game from time to time and if the hero has been playing very tight here and that’s why he has decided to play this I would still prefer if he raised with it than just limping behind.

Lafortezza

I'd agree in principle but it is very table dependant. If stacks are deep enough and opposition are likely to put alot of money in the middle with something like just top pair then limping with dodgy hands on the button is fine.

Gholimoli wrote:

What is your expectation playing any two cards from the button?
Will trash hands like T6 or the likes you must hit at least two pair in order to be able to carry on and that does not happen often.
Infact I think you should tighten your up your range much more in a loose cash game than you would in tight one.
And I certainly don’t see the point of limping here with T6o from the button.
You will need to mix up your game from time to time and if the hero has been playing very tight here and that’s why he has decided to play this I would still prefer if he raised with it than just limping behind.

Gholimoli

lafortezza wrote:

I'd agree in principle but it is very table dependant. If stacks are deep enough and opposition are likely to put alot of money in the middle with something like just top pair then limping with dodgy hands on the button is fine.

So what you are suggesting is to keep playing any two cards because eventually you will hit a flop with two pair or better in which your bad opposition has also hit TP so you can extract a lot of money from him!
Do you not think there is better and more profitable way of winning from bad players?

Lafortezza

Gholimoli wrote:

So what you are suggesting is to keep playing any two cards because eventually you will hit a flop with two pair or better in which your bad opposition has also hit TP so you can extract a lot of money from him!
Do you not think there is better and more profitable way of winning from bad players?

What I'm saying is that playing any two cards from the button in a multiway limped pot against bad players when there are decent stacks at the table, is fine.
In the situation outlined by the OP, 3 limpers to you on the button, all are average-bad, all have reasonable stacks, what are the worst hands you'd limp with here?

Hectorjelly

lafortezza wrote:

What I'm saying is that playing any two cards from the button in a multiway limped pot against bad players when there are decent stacks at the table, is fine.
In the situation outlined by the OP, 3 limpers to you on the button, all are average-bad, all have reasonable stacks, what are the worst hands you'd limp with here?

You would have to play a good bit better than the opposition and have 200 bb + stacks

Erik147

The biggest misstake in this pot was definitely the preflop call. Its always when you play this kind of crap pre you get into trouble. If you are a much better player then the opposition its correct that you can play many hands in this situation but very few players are that good. I have played NL online fulltime for three years and im not good enogh to play craphands pre. I win good money in the long run because i dont play this kind of hands. On the river i would have called the $50. You had potodds of 4:1 and online people can play like this with a lot of hands, medium or big PP, a missed str8-draw or some other strange holding.

Lafortezza

Hectorjelly wrote:

You would have to play a good bit better than the opposition and have 200 bb + stacks

Like in the Fitz maybe?

Hectorjelly

lafortezza wrote:

Like in the Fitz maybe?

I doubt 2 random fish had €800 between them

Sangre

What do people think of the villian's river bet?
Was it a bad bet knowing he could be called with a slipt pot at best? Not to mention the pot odds he was giving to call.

Lafortezza

Hectorjelly wrote:

I doubt 2 random fish had €800 between them

The last few times I've been in the Fitz there's been stacks of between 100 and 600, plenty of people buy in for 200bb+. I'm talking in general anyway.

slegs

lafortezza wrote:

The last few times I've been in the Fitz there's been stacks of between 100 and 600, plenty of people buy in for 200bb+. I'm talking in general anyway.

this hand was in the Fitz and I had 170 he had 250