straight people and Gays

gaymale.ie

Of all the gay web forums, the boards.ie by its nature has a lot of straight posters drifting on and they are almost always hostile, negative or downright homophobic. I'm curious about this because it just shows that for all modern Irelands so called liberalism, I fear this is more in tune with the real attitude of the country and the secret opinion of its massive straight majority. Its amazing that we gays have any rights at all if this be the case. So its really the power of the EU and the political bargaining power of international capitalism and its powerful media machine and defiantly NOT the humanity, decency or moral sanity of our fellow Irish brothers and sisters to thank for the small bit of freedom that we are allowed!

Endymion

gaymale.ie wrote:

Of all the gay web forums, the boards.ie by its nature has a lot of straight posters drifting on and they are almost always hostile, negative or downright homophobic.

Did you ever think that maybe its the entrenched attitudes expressed whenever someone dares to suggests that maybe, just maybe things arn't as black & white as they are made out to be, that makes the more moderate posters not want to contribute? ffs, just look at the response poor old sangre recieved. Back in the day there where allot of straight user posting on this forum.

Stark

In my experience, I've found homophobes to be very much in the minority on boards.ie.

Nevyn

gaymale.ie wrote:

Of all the gay web forums, the boards.ie by its nature has a lot of straight posters drifting on and they are almost always hostile, negative or downright homophobic.

I disagree, I think for the most part they are simply unaware and really may think that they have never actively personally interacted with some one who has a different sexual gender preference then themselves.

gaymale.ie wrote:

I'm curious about this because it just shows that for all modern Irelands so called liberalism, I fear this is more in tune with the real attitude of the country and the secret opinion of its massive straight majority.

You can not hold boards.ie up to be a snap shot of the country in this reguard.
There are many people who may have boards account but may never even know this forum and it's community exsist among all the other fora.
There are those who know it exsist and don't see that it has anything to do with them and has nothing to offer them ( again no matter thier sexual gender preference ).
Not everyone wears thier sexual gender preference on thier sleve as you do with your nick.

Just because someone has a pc and internet acess and posts on boards does not mean they are more evolved or should be more evolved in thier out look on such matters.

gaymale.ie wrote:

Its amazing that we gays have any rights at all if this be the case.

No, it is not. You are afforded those right by the way a wonderful man and a wonderful woman worked hard together to challenage the contitsution and this is something everyone should know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Homosexual_Law_Reform

Too many people are unaware of the freedoms they have as the saying goes eaten bread is soon forgotten.

It has infact on been 13 years from when this case was finally ratified,
this was never going to be a wave of a magic wand.
It will take a lot longer for things to settle down and be come the norm and more acceptible.
Womens sufferage may have gotten women the right to vote in the early 1920 but it took a lot longer for women to take their place in the world and female dr to be just refered to as a dr and not a lady dr.
Hopefully it will not take as long for a person's sexual gender preference not to be an issues any more and two people snogging the face off each other only to be pass remarkible not due to thier gender but due to the fact they are making a show of themselves in public.

gaymale.ie wrote:

So its really the power of the EU and the political bargaining power of international capitalism and its powerful media machine and defiantly NOT the humanity, decency or moral sanity of our fellow Irish
brothers and sisters to thank for the small bit of freedom that we are allowed!

Small bit of freedom ?

You are young and irish and have suddenly realised that the world is not as perfect and evovled as you assumed it is or should be.

You have a lot more freedom then someone who lived a 100 years ago,
then those living in countries where kissing a person of the same gender can have you killed usually stoned to death or hung.

Yes things are not perfect in this country the grind to makes things better still goes on, while we have rules and laws about discrimination and hate crimes thier are still rights issues like the blood banks and marriage/civil unions ect
maybe they will be resolved in the next 20 year but if only people be come
aware and work on these issues and not wait about for others to do so and bemoan that things are not perfect.

If you want an example of moral decacny and humanity the fact we have a member of the Dail who was minister of state at the time was exposed and reported about in the national media for frequenting a known pick up point for young gay men despite his wife and children still serving in the Dail and is respected by his colleuges and the people he repasents and had his wife stand up for him in the press makes this country a hell of a lot better then many others.

While Ireland did not have the same free love radical hippe movements that other countries had in the 60s and 70s which means it has had some considerible catching up to do things in this country could be a lot worse.
In one generation there has alread been a lot of love, consideration and tolerance from people who were very christain and condeming but have had thier minds open.

Thank the gods we don't have the radical right wing fundementalist antigay activist that are targeting people and the funerals of aids victims.

If boards was a place that allowed hostile, negative or downright homophobic posts from people I certain would not want to be a member never mind a mod.
People do get banned from here from posting in that fashion or they get let air thier views with in reason and we roll our eyes and let them toddle off thinking well someday they might understand. We can't educate everyone.

So if you think that the society that we live is that horrendus what are you doing about changing it ?
Are you registered to vote ?
With a general election coming in the next year will you be asking your local repasentives what thier views and party policies are ?
Do you know who they are ? do you know what thier emails are so you can ask the questions if they call and you are not home ?
Have you taken part in any campagains to make things better ?

Are you the type of person who makes yourself and what your sexual gender preference is know to others ?
In a quite way or in a way that provokes and can up set others ?
Are you more then just your sexual gender preference ?
Because with a nick like that it can be hard to tell.

daveyjoe

I'm straight and I tend to lurk around this forum every now and then, I never posted before because I rarely have anything to add to the discussion. I think that it's probably the same with most straight guys who browse the forum. So, what you end up getting is a polarised opinion from a minority of people who have strong opinions about the topic. That's just my take on it.

daveyjoe

daveyjoe wrote:

I'm straight and I tend to lurk around this forum every now and then, I never posted before because I rarely have anything to add to the discussion. I think that it's probably the same with most straight guys who browse the forum. So, what you end up getting is a polarised opinion from a minority of people who have strong opinions about the topic. That's just my take on it.

My thoughts too.

Vinnie69

Originally Posted by daveyjoe
I'm straight and I tend to lurk around this forum every now and then, I never posted before because I rarely have anything to add to the discussion. I think that it's probably the same with most straight guys who browse the forum. So, what you end up getting is a polarised opinion from a minority of people who have strong opinions about the topic. That's just my take on it.

My thoughts too.(Myth)

I'm not straight but I can understand daveyjoe and Myth's point of view. I have only being posting here for a short time but I find it isolating, when three or four regulars who obviously know each other very well, use the threads to bitch at each other or pick over old wounds and ignore other posters.
My thoughts.

Stephanos

Your us and them approach certainly won't help neutralise any homophobia.

Vinnie69

Stephanos wrote:

Your us and them approach certainly won't help neutralise any homophobia.

Here we go again!

I neutralise homphobia by not being hetrophobic. I have to say that too many gays posting here appear to hate straights and treat them as the enemy, they are not! Yes of course there those who are homophobic, but are becoming a minority who like other minorites will always be around.

Stark

Whatever about the nitpicking that often goes on here, all posters should feel welcome, whether they be new, old, straight, gay or bicellaneous.

It would be good to get some new blood to re-energise the place.

Hmm_Messiah

Vinnie69 wrote:

I'm not straight but I can understand daveyjoe and Myth's point of view. I have only being posting here for a short time but I find it isolating, when three or four regulars who obviously know each other very well, use the threads to bitch at each other or pick over old wounds and ignore other posters.
My thoughts.

Aaaaaaaw don't feel isolated. I don't know any one here (well Ixoy/Moridin in some virtual sense but they've forgotten little old me ) and you did msg me about my exams which was neither bitchy or wound-picking.

Some people like to vent let them.

As for the OP, I've found the straight folk contributing mostly kinda nice and re-assuring; except for the exception stunted wee bigot. And their bigotry and ignorance should affect them not me

Fresh blood would be nice too; though personally these days I'd prefer a nice fairtrade coffee and a biccie.

BuffyBot

gaymale.ie wrote:

Of all the gay web forums, the boards.ie by its nature has a lot of straight posters drifting on and they are almost always hostile, negative or downright homophobic. I'm curious about this because it just shows that for all modern Irelands so called liberalism, I fear this is more in tune with the real attitude of the country and the secret opinion of its massive straight majority. Its amazing that we gays have any rights at all if this be the case. So its really the power of the EU and the political bargaining power of international capitalism and its powerful media machine and defiantly NOT the humanity, decency or moral sanity of our fellow Irish brothers and sisters to thank for the small bit of freedom that we are allowed!

It must be tiring carrying that chip on your shoulder - because it seems to be a big one.

If you think that boards.ie is an accurate, or even near accurate representation of the public opinion, I'd be worried.

abetarrush

gaymale.ie wrote:

Of all the gay web forums, the boards.ie by its nature has a lot of straight posters drifting on and they are almost always hostile, negative or downright homophobic. I'm curious about this because it just shows that for all modern Irelands so called liberalism, I fear this is more in tune with the real attitude of the country and the secret opinion of its massive straight majority. Its amazing that we gays have any rights at all if this be the case. So its really the power of the EU and the political bargaining power of international capitalism and its powerful media machine and defiantly NOT the humanity, decency or moral sanity of our fellow Irish brothers and sisters to thank for the small bit of freedom that we are allowed!

Your basically sayin that almost all the str8 guys that post here are homophobic wancers and that all the gays are perfect

Its not a gay/straight thing, its a personal thing,a s in it depends how much you let peoples opinions get to you

I'm sure I'm in the hall of fame here as #1 homophobe, but the brighter of the bunch know I'm not

Its like slaggin a black person. If ye called em a cvnt, peoples would still say you're racist

Stephanos

Vinnie69 wrote:

Originally Posted by daveyjoe
I'm straight and I tend to lurk around this forum every now and then, I never posted before because I rarely have anything to add to the discussion. I think that it's probably the same with most straight guys who browse the forum. So, what you end up getting is a polarised opinion from a minority of people who have strong opinions about the topic. That's just my take on it.

My thoughts too.(Myth)

I'm not straight but I can understand daveyjoe and Myth's point of view. I have only being posting here for a short time but I find it isolating, when three or four regulars who obviously know each other very well, use the threads to bitch at each other or pick over old wounds and ignore other posters.
My thoughts.

I completely agree with this. I think it would make a worthwhile discussion. I'd set up a discussion on the matter but to be quite honest I just hate posting on this forum. There are so many members who take apart your post and redirect it to a subject that has nothing to do with it. My partner has used this forum a lot longer than I have and he is of the same opinion - it is the same members over and over again. Stark made a comment that we should get some new blood in but the thing is some of you are so intimidating that you scare new blood away. When I first posted in here someone tore my posting apart and to be honest I was shocked. The counter next to my name indicates my experience at posting so I think I could have been shown a little lenience. Sometimes, when posting in this forum, clicking on the submit reply is like cutting off your arm and throwing it to the wolves ...

Vinnie69

Stephanos wrote:

Vinnie69 wrote:

Originally Posted by daveyjoe
I'm straight and I tend to lurk around this forum every now and then, I never posted before because I rarely have anything to add to the discussion. I think that it's probably the same with most straight guys who browse the forum. So, what you end up getting is a polarised opinion from a minority of people who have strong opinions about the topic. That's just my take on it.

My thoughts too.(Myth)

I completely agree with this. I think it would make a worthwhile discussion. I'd set up a discussion on the matter but to be quite honest I just hate posting on this forum. There are so many members who take apart your post and redirect it to a subject that has nothing to do with it. My partner has used this forum a lot longer than I have and he is of the same opinion - it is the same members over and over again. Stark made a comment that we should get some new blood in but the thing is some of you are so intimidating that you scare new blood away. When I first posted in here someone tore my posting apart and to be honest I was shocked. The counter next to my name indicates my experience at posting so I think I could have been shown a little lenience. Sometimes, when posting in this forum, clicking on the submit reply is like cutting off your arm and throwing it to the wolves ...

Thanks Stephanos for your comment. My first posting were on After Hours and was rudely attacked by a mod who when I pm him still couldn't see his lack of manners. The guys there are sooooo up their own arses, they make wolves look like pussy-cats:(

moridin

I guess it's a fair point that some of us can be rather cutting at times, nipping in with jibes etc. Less of it would be better, because it is rather anti-discussion, especially if someone feels that they're going to get their arm ripped off or that it's like sticking your neck in the lions jaws.

For anyone who's been lurking about for a fair while they'll know who to take with a pinch of salt, but offputting for newbies? Definately I'd say.

Oh and mise(hmmm_messer): Forgotten little old you? Nev0r