Irish Women in Poker/on Boards

OwenHargreaves

Is it just me or does there seem to be very few posts from the better sex (female obv :eek: ) on the poker forum? Moreover, would it be fair to say that in this country the amount of girls/women taking up the game seriously would be a significantly lower % than in other parts of the world? Personally i feel common attitudes/perceptions of the game in this country will always hold people back from taking it up seriously but probably more so for girls i'd imagine.

On a slightly different note, do we have the Irish equivalent of Jennicide (Jennifer Leigh) ?


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5starpool

Smurf is the only wench (I will respect you again when you tell me what that thing was Colette) that posts here I believe. There are a good few women that play around Dublin regularly, although, as you say it is a small amount compared to the number of men, maybe 5%-10% of the total.

I can't comment as to how this compares to the worldwide average however.

smurph

5starpool wrote:

Smurf is the only wench (I will respect you again when you tell me what that thing was Colette) that posts here I believe. There are a good few women that play around Dublin regularly, although, as you say it is a small amount compared to the number of men, maybe 5%-10% of the total.

I can't comment as to how this compares to the worldwide average however.

Look, just get over it, i'll never tell yourself or Ronan what the lovely little (privilege) cough cough plaque was that I got in the Fitz. All you need to know is that it was nice and shiny. There are a few women who post here (Danielle) and one or two others, not many though.

There are however a few handbag posts put up on this forum, (LMAO). There are not that many women playing poker, but the numbers are improving.

I don't really think that the perception of the game would put women off playing. Some people think that women players are much less likely to go on tilt after a bad beat. I personally think that is bullsh*t.

Must head off any shine my Fitzwilliam plaque now......
..

Sangre

Whether by biological tendencies or sociological upbringing women just seemed less inclined to part take in competitive games/sports. Shame really, more women = more players = more fish.

smurph

Sangre wrote:

Whether by biological tendencies or sociological upbringing women just seemed less inclined to part take in competitive games/sports. Shame really, more women = more players = more fish.

Meeeaaaaoooowww, get this guy a glass of milk:eek: :eek: ...... Lets not post utter waffle, when there is no need to. Women are just as competitive as men. I don't care who I beat in a pot, man woman, fish shark, as long as im taking in the chips.

ArmaniJeanss

smurph wrote:

Meeeaaaaoooowww, get this guy a glass of milk:eek: :eek: ...... Lets not post utter waffle, when there is no need to. Women are just as competitive as men. I don't care who I beat in a pot, man woman, fish shark, as long as im taking in the chips.

In Sangres defence, everything he said is true, less women (by a huge margin) take part in competitive sports/games than men.
He never said that those who do take part are not competitive.

BigDragon

smurph wrote:

Meeeaaaaoooowww, get this guy a glass of milk:eek: :eek: ...... Lets not post utter waffle, when there is no need to. Women are just as competitive as men. I don't care who I beat in a pot, man, woman, fish shark, Dragon, as long as im taking in the chips.

Players are players.....

smurph

BigDragon wrote:

Players are players.....

exactly.

Kazzehh

i aint no lady, am female however. Desperatly seeking a dub pub game happenin this evening, anyone know of any or are you folk strictly casino players. Never played casino before, any games happenin >50 buy in?

Duff Man Jr.

"If god wanted women to play poker he'd have given them a brain"*



*Calm down its only a joke

Jools Poker

nope it's not just you -there aren't that many women posting on the forum. I read it every day myself but rarely actually post. there are more and more women though taking up the game as the Irish Poker Cup illustrated a couple of weeks ago. I was on the Donegal team myself and there were quite a few women playing on different teams. Personally I think it's quite an advantage in general to be a woman playing poker while the game is still mainly played by men......men tend to give them respect as they generally feel women play tight and only raise when they've got the goods. So you can get a way with a bit. The downside is some men always think a woman will lay down a hand to a big enough reraise so often when i sit at a table one or two players will consistently reraise me thinking I'll fold. once I've relieved them of that assumption they begin to realise I'm playing the same game as them and the whole guy/girl thing goes out the window.

OwenHargreaves wrote:

Is it just me or does there seem to be very few posts from the better sex (female obv :eek: ) on the poker forum? Moreover, would it be fair to say that in this country the amount of girls/women taking up the game seriously would be a significantly lower % than in other parts of the world? Personally i feel common attitudes/perceptions of the game in this country will always hold people back from taking it up seriously but probably more so for girls i'd imagine.

On a slightly different note, do we have the Irish equivalent of Jennicide (Jennifer Leigh) ?


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accensi0n

smurph wrote:

Meeeaaaaoooowww, get this guy a glass of milk:eek: :eek: ...... Lets not post utter waffle, when there is no need to. Women are just as competitive as men. I don't care who I beat in a pot, man woman, fish shark, as long as im taking in the chips.

a man woman...
a fish shark...

where the hell do you play?




I think women can have a greater advantage at live games just because of their sex and how it effects certain men in competition.

mewso

If I recall correctly the WSOP main event had 5% female players so I think you could say it's a low amount worldwide in general and not something limited to the Green Isle.

kincsem

Kazzehh wrote:

i aint no lady, am female however. Desperatly seeking a dub pub game happenin this evening, anyone know of any or are you folk strictly casino players. Never played casino before, any games happenin >50 buy in?

You should play in a card club like the Fitzwilliam. The pub tournaments are poor value (organisers take a big slice). There is no drink at the card clubs (unless you want to go out to a pub before the start).
Your game will improve at a well-run tournament. You should phone in advance to find out which night has a game that suits your pocket/purse. The only problem might be that tournaments start at 20:30 and can finish as late as 04:00 if you get to the end of the tournament. You would need your own car or have to get a taxi.
There is blackjack and roulette bur there is no pressure to play these games. Most people play poker tournaments only.

DeVore

Musician wrote:

If I recall correctly the WSOP main event had 5% female players so I think you could say it's a low amount worldwide in general and not something limited to the Green Isle.

Yes but the vast majority of the seats at the WSOP are won in satelites, all that stat says is that women dont WIN at poker....












.... OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!!

DeV.
I hope I dont have to point out that I'm joking. I think the % of good female players to female players is higher here then anywhere in fact. Certainly higher then the same % for male...

Dub13

DeVore wrote:

Yes but the vast majority of the seats at the WSOP are won in satelites, all that stat says is that women dont WIN at poker..

Lafortezza

I don't see much that is appealing to women in the card clubs around Dublin. Sitting with smelly lechourous old men and obnoxious/drunk D4 type students on a weekend at 3am is probably not as high in women's priorities, especially compared to finding rich husbands or planning on washing the curtains or whatever it is women do in their spare time.

Sangre

smurph wrote:

Meeeaaaaoooowww, get this guy a glass of milk:eek: :eek: ...... Lets not post utter waffle, when there is no need to. Women are just as competitive as men. I don't care who I beat in a pot, man woman, fish shark, as long as im taking in the chips.

What are you talking about?
Women participate in far less numbers in competitive arenas, be they sport or card games. I hardly think you can dispute this fact, making it uhh....not waffle.

Increased women numbers means increased players overall which means increased number of fishes to win off.
Where did I post anything even REMOTELY bitchy?

NickyOD

I think the main reason why women don't play poker are the men who play poker.

There are a hell of a lot of ugly men in Irlsh poker, lots of smelly one's too, AND if I did a survey of Irish male poker players who do not wash their hands in the bathroom I'm sure its in the region of 90%. Then its back to the poker table hands on chips, chips go everywhere, hands to mouth, you get the picture. NAsty stuff. I can understand why so many americans take hand cream to the poker table.

This is all changing though, with the new breed of young, handsom more streamlined poker player. I mean lets face it the ladies would much prefer to be in the company of me and likes of MrPillowTalk (handsom Devil) than say..... (Insert thet irritating smelly poker player you know here , OH GOD I wish I could name names!!!)

NickyOD

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

In Sangres defence, everything he said is true, less women (by a huge margin) take part in competitive sports/games than men.
He never said that those who do take part are not competitive.

What about women's volleyball. How many men do you see playing that sport, or Camogie, or netball!!!

Sangre

NickyOD wrote:

I think the main reason why women don't play poker are the men who play poker.

There are a hell of a lot of ugly men in Irlsh poker, lots of smelly one's too, AND if I did a survey of Irish male poker players who do not wash their hands in the bathroom I'm sure its in the region of 90%. Then its back to the poker table hands on chips, chips go everywhere, hands to mouth, you get the picture. NAsty stuff. I can understand why so many americans take hand cream to the poker table.

This is all changing though, with the new breed young, handsom more streamlined poker player. I mean lets face it the ladies would much prefer to be in the company of me and likes of MrPillowTalk (handsom Devil) than say..... (Insert thet irritating smelly poker player you know here , OH GOD I wish I could name names!!!)

Holy crap!

NickiOD is a man!!11!

ArmaniJeanss

NickyOD wrote:

What about women's volleyball. How many men do you see playing that sport, or Camogie, or netball!!!

LOL, you nearly got me there !!.

Re Volleyball, a couple of mates and I were playing that game with some girls on a Lanzarote Beach last week.

The girls were happy to have a friendly 'knock the volleyball back and forth, and don't worry about rules or scoring' sort of game.

The lads wanted a clearly defined court area, strict application of the 3 touches rule, proper overarm serving, the score to be kept, and the losing team to buy the beer.

The more I think about it, men ARE more competitive, not neccessarily a good thing.

AJs.

Tar.Aldarion

Men and womens minds are different, simple as. Why do more women not do math, engineering? Why do more women like shopping?
Biological difference even. Women that like things like math etc are even said to have a 'male mind'. It just so happens that the two sexes like different things.
I used to play risk with girls, it got rather boring as I was the only one that wanted to win...The girls were happy to be taking part in and of itself. My girl just thought it was funny to see guys get competitive over something like risk and when we played poker at my house.

Why would it appeal to them, especially compared to finding rich husbands or planning on washing the curtains or whatever it is women do in their spare time?

DeVore

I dunno about sh*t in this field but I'll stop you about Math. Yes the number of ladies in Maths is low, however the the very top level of mathematicians have consistently had a disproportionate number of females from what you would expect given the entry numbers. In my final year there were as many men and women. Its a falliacy about women being worse at real maths then men imho.

Ref: http://www.agnesscott.edu/Lriddle/women/chronol.htm

for those who might find that reading a bit dry...

http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/simpsonsmath//sums.html

DeV.

Tar.Aldarion

DeVore wrote:

I dunno about sh*t in this field but I'll stop you about Math. Yes the number of ladies in Maths is low, however the the very top level of mathematicians have consistently had a disproportionate number of females from what you would expect given the entry numbers. In my final year there were as many men and women. Its a falliacy about women being worse at real maths then men imho.

Ref: http://www.agnesscott.edu/Lriddle/women/chronol.htm

for those who might find that reading a bit dry...

http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/simpsonsmath//sums.html

DeV.

I am not saying women are worse at math at all, I think that would be nonsense.
I actually think women are much better at concentrating when interested in it...but that's just me.
They are not worse(EDIT:My best calculus teacher this year was an ace woman.), just most are not as interested.
I'm just talking about the numbers that are interested, as you say it is much lower. There are zero women in my class in university.

ollyk1

I was down the country for a long weekend away with the girlfriend and a mixed group of her friends and friends of friends.

One of the guys knew I play poker and someone else had brought chips in case we decided to have a game (turns out some of the group have an occasional home game) so it looked like I'd be having a home game with random strangers on this trip. I wasn't too pushed about playing poker with these guys for €20 or whatever because I knew they'd all be anxious to prove they could play and having a pleasant non poker weekend for a change seemed like a good idea!! lol

Inevitably though it was decided that we'd have a game (a low level cash game nothing too racy) and one of the girls fancied playing as well. She knew the rules and had played poker before.

Now these guys were a really good bunch of blokes and we'd had great relaxed fun playing board games and drinking in the evenings and sightseeing etc. during the day. We'd even had a noncompetitive kick about on the beach (no goalposts setup or nothing ).

However after less then ten minutes the poker game had become seriously competitive, not in a nasty way I hasten to add, but in a tangible nobody wanted to lose kind of way.

After 20 minutes I noticed the female player was trying to lose her initial €10 buyin, so I said to her that if she wanted to cash out she didn't have to lose her money she could just exchange her chips for money, which she did immediately and with great relief, and joined the rest of the ladies who were drinking and nattering in another part of the house.

My girlfriend later told me that the female player couldn't believe the change in atmosphere that came over the room when the poker had started and that she was very happy to get out of the room and away from the game.

After she left all pretence that guys were indifferent to whether they were winning or losing disappeared and it was pretty much cutthroat after that. You may not believe this but this was not my influence in anyway as I was trying to keep the game lighthearted and fun and I wasn't too anxious to take the guys money as long as I managed to avoid losing money I was happy (okay I did make a few quid but I couldn't help myself near the end :rolleyes: ).

But for me this illustrated why women play less poker then men especially live. Men are naturally comfortable being competitive in the company of strangers and trying to best one another is what the game is about for a lot of guys as much as anything else. And lets face it poker players love that! Trying to take someone's money and inflicting the pain of losing on someone else is something certain types of women are uncomfortable with. (There are some guys who are like this but they are in the minority and they hide their discomfort from other men)

I've met a few women my age who really love poker and I could tell before I ever played cards with them that they'd enjoy the game but the majority of women just don't get it at all. When you factor in the intimidation of going into a casino on your own for the first time for a woman who may not have had the same opportunites to play home poker games as lads generally would its not in the least bit surprising how small the number of female poker players are in casinos.

Having said that there are a number of new female players in various tournies and cash games around town and they play good and bad like any other group and I personally feel they are a positive influence on the games in that lads tend to be a bit more civil and behaved at a table with female players.

Playing poker five years ago used to be something a bit different and unusual but now everyone is doing it and having a larger number of female players is something I think will inevitably happen.

Off topic: I remember when playing poker in underground casinos seemed cool. Long time ago now.:( Legalising the card rooms is the last nail in the coffin to be honest.....I still remember my college days arriving home at 3am and discovering Late Night Poker and getting totally hooked....good times.

sendic

ollyk1 wrote:

I wasn't too anxious to take the guys money

so, how many times did you raise their BB?

ollyk1

sendic wrote:

so, how many times did you raise their BB?

Cash game. I didn't raise the BBs hardly at all. I did pick on the most experienced guy to run a few two bullet bluffs though!!

careca

Am I the only one who hates to watch women playing GAA ?

Get your own sport.






Sorry, still drunk from last night.

modmuffin

nice post olly

I had a similar situation with the girlfriend, i taught her how to play and knew she'd like it, we played a lot of HU games to see who's cooking dinner etc (needless to say i havent cooked dinner in 6 months ) Then I brought her along to our home game one night, she hated the competitiveness (especially from me :eek: ), lost all her chips on purpose and hasnt played since.
she wont even consider coming into a casino, as she said she'd find it too intimidating, that she finds handling chips/string bets etc awkward.

now she just plays online everyday on her lunch break in work and does pretty well.

I know two lady's in work who play a lot online aswell but wont play live games atall (not even the 5c/10c game that goes on at lunch which is very friendly)

imo itd be good to have more women playing, most women ive come across have been very solid players.

smurph

Jools Poker wrote:

nope it's not just you -there aren't that many women posting on the forum. I read it every day myself but rarely actually post. there are more and more women though taking up the game as the Irish Poker Cup illustrated a couple of weeks ago. I was on the Donegal team myself and there were quite a few women playing on different teams. Personally I think it's quite an advantage in general to be a woman playing poker while the game is still mainly played by men......men tend to give them respect as they generally feel women play tight and only raise when they've got the goods. So you can get a way with a bit. The downside is some men always think a woman will lay down a hand to a big enough reraise so often when i sit at a table one or two players will consistently reraise me thinking I'll fold. once I've relieved them of that assumption they begin to realise I'm playing the same game as them and the whole guy/girl thing goes out the window.

Good points. I found the same as you that if I raised a few players would re-raise assuming I would back off. There are more and more female players coming into the game and I think that is great. I hope I didn't come across snotty in my posts on this subject.

I suppose I would be an exception to the rule. I played Camogie for years but due to dodgy back and neck, etc., I had to give it up. Loved playing competitive sport, and would generally be a very competitive person. I watch almost all types of sport (cricket formula 1 and curling being the exception, ). I love the GAA matches and also followed the Irish soccer team for years all over the world, South Korea, portugal, etc., etc., although I feel they are on a slump at moment:( .

Sorry Sangre, I was trying to be funny, but sometimes it doesn't come accross when typed,. You do have a point about the amount of women playing etc.,

mewso

Seems strange to be making judgements about women and poker based on your girlfriend and their social circle. Maybe you naturally gravitate towards girls who aren't competitive.

And Nicky have you never heard that there are 2 types of men - those who have a dirty one and need to wash their hands and those who have a clean one and don't need to wash their hands *

I do wash my hands by the way

5starpool

Allbody people play, Jack no open. Could do with a slight clean up.

smurph

5starpool wrote:

Allbody people play, Jack no open. Could do with a slight clean up.

Stop please god stop, I have just gotten over that. Sat beside said "Allbody people play, jack no open" for Tournament and then cash game last weekend. It would bring a tear to a glass eye. Then said person checked out my lucy coin, . So needless to say I got a funny look in the ladies when I was spotted cleaning the coin with soap. I think he was spoken to, because it actually effected half the poker table in the cash game.

careca

smurph wrote:

I watch almost all types of sport (cricket formula 1 and curling being the exception, ).

i would have switched off the telly if i ever saw cricket on it, until I came to understand the rules. if you ever get a chance Smurph, have a look at a one day match, it really is top class stuff.

Then again as my mate says "how the fcuk do you know who's against who, they are all in the same colour"

5starpool

careca wrote:

i would have switched off the telly if i ever saw cricket on it, until I came to understand the rules. if you ever get a chance Smurph, have a look at a one day match, it really is top class stuff.

Then again as my mate says "how the fcuk do you know who's against who, they are all in the same colour"

Your mate is a big fan of it I can tell.

Dub13

careca wrote:

i would have switched off the telly if i ever saw cricket on it, until I came to understand the rules. if you ever get a chance Smurph, have a look at a one day match, it really is top class stuff.

You are about the 5th person I have heard this from in the last month or two,maybe I will pay more attention the next time its on.

Tar.Aldarion

Dub13 wrote:

You are about the 5th person I have heard this from in the last month or two,maybe I will pay more attention the next time its on.

You may still hate it with a passion, like I do.
It is a oring version of baseball, and baseball is damn boring.

Trippie

I watch almost all types of sport (cricket formula 1 and curling being the exception, ).

you should also check out curling sometime its the most tactical sport ever its a treat to watch sweeden versus finland in the womens game although id say it wouldnt hold the same interest for yourself smurph as it does for us lads

a147pro

Trippie wrote:

you should also check out curling sometime its the most tactical sport ever its a treat to watch sweeden versus finland in the womens game although id say it wouldnt hold the same interest for yourself smurph as it does for us lads

for a moment i thought i had found a fellow fan. i watched curling to the wee hours during the Nagano olympics and loved it, even without the high proportion of Scandinavians

then again what do i know about women. its 3am on a sat morning and im posting on boards......

PPP-Pit Boss

NickyOD wrote:

with the new breed of young, handsom more streamlined poker player.

Yes particularly you Nicky

luckyvegas7

PFFA does pretty good on tribeca, mtt wise.