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mloc · 07-09-2006 1:46am #1

How much is in a standard irish bar measure?

Blub2k4 · 07-09-2006 5:46am

1/4 of a gill is the standard Irish measure, unlike the UK where it is 1/6 of a gill.
1 gill = 5 Fluid oz
4 gills = 1 pint

MrPudding · 07-09-2006 8:27am

Blub2k4 wrote:

1/4 of a gill is the standard Irish measure, unlike the UK where it is 1/6 of a gill.
1 gill = 5 Fluid oz
4 gills = 1 pint

Showing your age Blub2k4?:D

The standard Irish bar measure is now 35ml, slight less than the quarter gill, for spirits and 25ml for liquours. It is the same in NI but for the rest of the UK has 25ml for everything.

MrP

Blub2k4 · 07-09-2006 8:34am

MrPudding wrote:

Showing your age Blub2k4?:D

The standard Irish bar measure is now 35ml, slight less than the quarter gill, for spirits and 25ml for liquours. It is the same in NI but for the rest of the UK has 25ml for everything.

MrP

Well it is a while since I worked in a pub in Ireland, when I say a while I actually mean about 18 years

rubadub · 07-09-2006 8:37am

MrPudding wrote:

Showing your age Blub2k4?:D

The standard Irish bar measure is now 35ml,

When did this happen? most optics I see still have 35.5ml (1/4gill) on them, maybe they are too cheap to upgrade thought they would be saving.

So if it is 35ml there are 20 shots in a normal 700ml bottle of spirits, just goes to show what an absolute ripoff shots are in a pub.

Blub2k4 · 07-09-2006 8:42am

rubadub wrote:

When did this happen? most optics I see still have 35.5ml (1/4gill) on them, maybe they are too cheap to upgrade thought they would be saving.

So if it is 35ml there are 20 shots in a normal 700ml bottle of spirits, just goes to show what an absolute ripoff shots are in a pub.

Weights and measures wouldn't allow that even if it was to the advantage to the customer.
So maybe it's still the same as it was then? *adjusts zimmer frame*

MrPudding · 07-09-2006 10:13am

No it is definately changed. And believe me, no pub wants to be on the wrong side of an inspection.
If the optic have ml on them then they are the new size.

MrP

Degag · 28-09-2006 9:33am

MrPudding wrote:

No it is definately changed. And believe me, no pub wants to be on the wrong side of an inspection.
If the optic have ml on them then they are the new size.

MrP

Any optics i use are 35.5 ml, even the new ones we got recently.

rubadub · 29-09-2006 8:17am

Any optic I ever say with "1/4 gill" also had 35.5ml.
35.5ml is a 1/4 gill. Taking a pint as 568ml, divide that by 16 and it is 35.5ml.

A pint is actually slightly more than 568ml, a 1/4gill is really 35.515312XXXX....... but I will let the barman off

I have yet to see a 35ml optic.

Degag · 29-09-2006 9:51am

rubadub wrote:

I have yet to see a 35ml optic.

Same as.

The difference would be really miniscule anyway.

yopnailbrush · 02-10-2006 1:17am

In the food and the beverag industry the margins are miniscule between profit and loss. To clear some of the confusion for you it is 20 shoots per bottle ie 35 ml in a shot measure, check the base in local the next time you visit!!!

The Sweeper · 02-10-2006 7:03am

yopnailbrush wrote:

In the food and the beverag industry the margins are miniscule between profit and loss.

And this week's award for sweeping statements goes to...

rubadub · 02-10-2006 8:13am

yopnailbrush wrote:

To clear some of the confusion for you it is 20 shoots per bottle ie 35 ml in a shot measure, check the base in local the next time you visit!!!

Check the base of what?

Most bottle connected onto optics are larger than the 700ml standard from off licences.

Degag · 02-10-2006 12:25pm

yopnailbrush wrote:

In the food and the beverag industry the margins are miniscule between profit and loss. To clear some of the confusion for you it is 20 shoots per bottle ie 35 ml in a shot measure, check the base in local the next time you visit!!!

Technically its not... its about 19 .5 per 35.5 ml shot which is the measure i've always used. In some bottles of liqour it actually says this. As a matter of interest have you, or do you work in the trade?

Alkers · 08-10-2006 7:45pm

So if asking for a shot or a vodka redbull etc, is it supposed to be 35ml or is it up to the barman?

Pongo · 09-10-2006 11:01pm

Simona1986 wrote:

So if asking for a shot or a vodka redbull etc, is it supposed to be 35ml or is it up to the barman?

Standard measure, as said above, is 35.5ml. A standard 700ml bottle of spirits will yield 20 shots (19.71 to be precise) a litre bottle 28 shots (28.16 to be really precise).

No it is definately changed. And believe me, no pub wants to be on the wrong side of an inspection.
If the optic have ml on them then they are the new size.

MrP

I'm pretty sure that the 35.5ml spirit measure hasn't changed in a long, long time... Older measures will have 1/4 Gill stamped on them (well they should anyway, along with the old weights and measure stamp) but I think the 'new' ones with 35.5ml on them are just showing the measure in metric.

Alkers · 09-10-2006 11:06pm

I got that, I was asking more along the lines whether you would have a case if you ordered a shot in a pub and got less than 35ml?

ruprect · 10-10-2006 9:29am

Simona1986 wrote:

I got that, I was asking more along the lines whether you would have a case if you ordered a shot in a pub and got less than 35ml?

I doubt it. You never get a full pint if you order one either, leave a guinness to go fully dead and you have lost a lot to the head, bulmers is the only one that comes close to being a proper pint. Another reason to insist on tulip glasses rather than the wide topped stackers (more volume lost per depth of head at the top).

If the barman is not using optics or thimbles, then the amount you get increases in direct proportion to the size of your breasts

In the north it seems a measure now may well be 35ml, not 1/4gill or 35.5ml. I have never heard of this change here though.
www.legislation.gov.uk/sr/sr2004/nisr_20040370_en.pdf

Alkers · 10-10-2006 11:53am

Yes but you always get your pint in a pint glass whereas all shot glasses in clubs might not be 35ml?

Pongo · 11-10-2006 7:46pm

If you suspect you've been given a short measure, the best thing to do is not drink there again. If there's ice, or a mixer in the drink, it's going to be very hard to prove the measure was under 35.5mls.
If you're convinced it was short, you could always contact customs and excise (I think they look after this sort of thing now rather than the old weights and measures department), they will, more than likely inspect the premises. All measures should be government stamped, as should all pint and half pint glasses and all optics should be sealed and stamped. Inspectors will do a 'mystery shopper' type inspection as well, usually ordering two double shots of a spirit, with no ice. Once served, they pour both into plastic containers, seal both and offer the pub the choice of which one to keep as a 'B' sample. The other is then tested for volume, and alcohol content.

If you're talking about actual 'shots', as in a shot of Jagermeister etc, served in a shot glass, then yes, there's a very good chance the shot glass may not actually be 35.5mls. They can be bought in various sizes, so it is possible you aren't getting your full 35.5ml. Once again I say complain with your feet, and drink elsewhere.

brianthebard · 11-10-2006 9:13pm

A week or so ago I was buying a jack daniels and coke for a friend in the SU bar in maynooth. The barman measured out a "shot" into the thimble-like plastic medicine caps they use for shots. It seems to me to be about half the size of a shot glass that I get in any of the other pubs in the town.

Are they allowed measure drinks out like that? I'm convinced that if you asked for a glass of Jager you would be given a proper measure, but these thimble things seem much smaller than a standard shot.

Does anyone know anything about these thimbles?

Alkers · 11-10-2006 9:15pm

brianthebard wrote:

A week or so ago I was buying a jack daniels and coke for a friend in the SU bar in maynooth. The barman measured out a "shot" into the thimble-like plastic medicine caps they use for shots. It seems to me to be about half the size of a shot glass that I get in any of the other pubs in the town.

Are they allowed measure drinks out like that? I'm convinced that if you asked for a glass of Jager you would be given a proper measure, but these thimble things seem much smaller than a standard shot.

Does anyone know anything about these thimbles?

That's pretty much what I was getting at - I'd love to bring a 35ml measure to any pub in dublin!

Pongo · 12-10-2006 12:00am

I'd say 99.9% of the pubs in Dublin have correct measures, some may use a 35.5ml shot glass, that's no major problem as far as I'd be concerned, once the shot glass is a 35.5ml one. The plastic thimble things you're refering to are available in UK measures, 25ml. like the ones here:
http://www.cater4you.co.uk/plastic-shot-glasses.htm

If it looks very small it may be one of these, or a 30ml one, if they're the ones I'm thinking of.

If you want to kick up a fuss, ask them if the plastic thimbles are government stamped. If they say no, they're breaking the law, but do ask yourself how much of a fuss you want to cause, chances are you'll never get a full measure there again, be it from a stamped measure or not!

And remember, if you suspect the barstaff have overfilled your measure, say nothing. Absolutely nothing.....

brianthebard · 12-10-2006 10:53pm

One night I wanted to try something new, so a friend suggested a slippery nipple. (It was three euro night in the bar) so I asked for one and the barlady asked how to make it. I told her. She then took a proper measure of baileys and a proper measure of sambucca and put them in a glass. So instead of paying 6euro for a proper shot, I paid three for a double! needless to say I did not complain...

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