problem using AV senders with the small NTL pace box

dubdvd

i have had a set up in my house where i was using AV sender to send the signal upstairs and it worked great till now i got rid of the old larger NTL box and im now using the smaller pace one but no matter where i seem to put the IR sensors i cant seem to change the chaanels when im using the upstairs TV which is using the Receiver of the Sender , my sister inlaw has the same problem ..any one out there know how to fix this

daphil

I have a Philips VL 1200 Video Sender, which was not used for a while. I now want to use it again but the chanel changing "Remote eye" will not work. Can one be bought?
Dave
Cork

dubdvd

which box are you trying to use it with ??? are you sure its the remote eye ?? As i said above with the older larger NTL box i had no problems seting up my AV senders and they worked fine apart from the interference from all the wireless sh1t i have all over the house ..
Anyhow now ive tried to use my normal AV senders and ive also tried to set up my windows media centre remote to work with the box aswell and thats not working either so i take it for some reason the new box's are not set to IR 6 ??? could this be the problem ??
Any help here would be great as at this stage its doing my head in ive just spent 50 euro on a universal modulator so i can get NTL digital into my windows MCE TV card but i cant change the channels remotley
Same with the AV senders they will display the picture and sound but not change the channels even with the NTL remote once im in a different room

HELP PLS

cubix

Hi Dub
Dont want to gate crash your party but I am trying to connect the pace box to the tv via the RF connection as I need the scart socket on the tv. Any idea what channel you need to use to tune it in when using the RF connection? aslo do you or anyone else know if NTL are using the Samsung decoders here like the UK as I believe they are better

Thanks Cubix

Aquos76

Cubix, Ntl in Ireland only use the pace boxes and the rf out on the small box is only a loop through. It does not output the digital channel, only the basic channels.

There are however 2 scart scokets on those small pace boxes, so you could scart to DVD/R or Video to give you the rf output.

dubdvd

so i take it that the loop through you said means that AV senders wont work with the smaller pace box unless you run the second scart socket into another device such as a dvd player or so on ..you see at the moment im using the second scart to run into the modulator to give me my tv coax input for my intergrated tv card off my Mediacentre pc
can i not open the box and mod it so that i can use it with AV senders how does this loop through work ????

BTW i just set up one of the DVB usb boxs i had in the shed for the last year or so and whala i have the new DTT trials from RTE Im getting all the 4 tv channels in sexy digital and each of them have the EPG with them and im getting about 5 radio channels aswell heres a picture of the quality

cubix

Cheers for that Aquos, so just to clarify to get a picture on the second tv in the kitchen from the lounge I need to plug another scart lead into the second scart socket on the pace box marked "vcr/aux" and from there into my video tape recorder and then plug the coaxal into the RF out on the video and run it into the back of the tv in the kitchen.
And when you say "the rf out on the small box is only a loop through. It does not output the digital channel, only the basic channels. " does that mean if I dont have this plugged in am I missing channels or is this RF loop only for cable customers who also receive the anologue channels where as mmds users only get the digital service. As regards the samsung box,rang ntl today and chanced my arm saying my box was slow/freezing and like you say was told they dont do any other make of box.

Dub what are these boxes any links "the DVB usb boxs " slow starter to digital, I presume its something you put together yourself. What channels can you get on it and what ariel do you need to use to receive it

Thanks Cubix

tvbrat

Hi
I have the small NTL digi pace box set up with an AV sender

I have found that the ir remote (magic eye) would not work with the second scart output. To get around this I pluged in a 2 way un-switched scart splitter box into the first scart on the ntl box.

Then from the splitter, I pluged in the TV and AV Sender.
This now works fine and leaves the second scart on the pace box free for a dvd player.

Hope this helps.

EDIT:

The AV Sender only works on the first (TV) scart on the pace box, it will wont work on the second as this is designed to switch of the tv siginal acting like a switched scart, when you have say a DVD player connected.
So when you switch on your DVD the audio/ video will pass through the pace box and on to your TV

EDIT:

cubix

Where did you get your "2 way un-switched scart splitter box " TvBrat as the one I have is a three way but from what I can see it is switched as each scart socket has a button which you need to press if you want to watch that device. Also what brand of Av sender are you using

Thanks Cubix

tvbrat

cubix wrote:

Where did you get your "2 way un-switched scart splitter box " TvBrat as the one I have is a three way but from what I can see it is switched as each scart socket has a button which you need to press if you want to watch that device. Also what brand of Av sender are you using

Thanks Cubix

Hi Cubix
Most hi fi shops should have un-switched scart splitters, it does not matter
if it has 3 or 4 sockets, just remember not to plug in any other input device
such as a dvd as this will cause interference and may dammage your equipment. I got my splitter in Power City.


The AV Sender is a generic type "Total Control AV Sender"

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5345014.htm

They have them in argos in ireland, but may not be listed on their website,
page 790 in the Irish Cat, lot number 534/5014 which is the same lot number for the UK, Irish price 65 Euros.

Power City also had them on offer for abour 50 euros
and Maplins had them for a while, but under a different brand name.
Hope this helps

cubix

Cheers for that mate,if you look on page791 on the new argos cat no12 €14.99 thats the 3way scart socket I have but just to clarify this is no good as this is a switched one?. How do the unswitched scart sockets work ie:if you have two or three device plugged in how does it know which one to play where as with my switch one it will only play the one that the switch is pressed on

Cubix

tvbrat

cubix wrote:

Cheers for that mate,if you look on page791 on the new argos cat no12 €14.99 thats the 3way scart socket I have but just to clarify this is no good as this is a switched one?. How do the unswitched scart sockets work ie:if you have two or three device plugged in how does it know which one to play where as with my switch one it will only play the one that the switch is pressed on

Cubix

Hi Cubix
The un-switched scart takes all the siginals and treats them as one
it does not know which one to play. When using a 3X un-switched scart the unit is plugged into a tv, with say a VCR,CAMERA and a DVD player pluged into the scart sockets. When viewing the DVD player the other two units the Camera and Video must be switched off or in standby or you will get a scrambled image as all the devices are trying to output to your tv.


So when you use the un-switched scart on the first (TV) input of the digibox { SEE EDIT ON MY POST ABOVE} it splits the siginal one goes to your tv and the other to the AV Sender, its acting like a pass through to the AV Sender.

cubix

Super stuff,will have alook in powercity. So all I need is a 2way unswitched scart socket plugged into the first scart (marked tv)on the pace box and then I plug the scart lead to the tv and a scart lead to the AV sender into the 2way unswitched scart socket and bobs your unlce,again much appreciated

A bit unrelated but i use a pair of philips SBC-HC8522 cordless head phones which I have plugged directly into the mic-in socket on the front of the tv. Before when I had anologue tv getting stero sound on them was not a problem but since switching over to ntl digital I am only getting sound in one ear. Do I need to get a lead that goes from phono connections to the small jack type and take a feed from the back of the ntl pace box

Thanks Cubix

tvbrat

cubix wrote:

Super stuff,will have alook in powercity. So all I need is a 2way unswitched scart socket plugged into the first scart (marked tv)on the pace box and then I plug the scart lead to the tv and a scart lead to the AV sender into the 2way unswitched scart socket and bobs your unlce,again much appreciated

That should work fine, just make sure to align the infra red on the pace box to the infra red on the sender

A bit unrelated but i use a pair of philips SBC-HC8522 cordless head phones which I have plugged directly into the mic-in socket on the front of the tv. Before when I had anologue tv getting stero sound on them was not a problem but since switching over to ntl digital I am only getting sound in one ear. Do I need to get a lead that goes from phono connections to the small jack type and take a feed from the back of the ntl pace box

I'm sure you mean the headphone socket.
There may be a few reasons,

If your tv has mono sound, it will still sound in both ears, ie no sound seperation, the same sound in both left and right as opposed to stereo "image" reproduction, ie diferent sounds in both speakers, Nicam etc

Some earphones when pluged into a mono socket will only play back on the left or right speaker, you can test this by gently "half" pluging the h/phones in to the socket, if you hear sound, say in the left speaker, and then fully plug in the headphones and then hear sound in the right speaker then the chances are the headphone out socket is mono.

The cable going into the jack plug may be damaged.
The jack plug itself may be damaged.

You could plug in a vcr to the pace box, second scart and extract stereo sound via the vcr.

From the pace box You could plug a phono (RCA) to mini jack lead (male) and use a back to back mini jack adapter, ie double sided mini female adapter, to your headphones

You could use a phono (RCA) to mini jack lead (female) and plug your headphone straight in.

hope this helps

cubix

Thanks think you have just about covered everything;)

Just one finally question, have a coax running in from the lounge into the kitchen.Have connected the vcr with a scart lead to the second scart socket on the pace box and then plugged the coax into the Rf outlet on the vcr/turned the vcr to E1 and the tv in the kitcen gets the same picture as whats on in the lounge. The problem I then have is the vcr goes into standby mode and I loose the signal on the kitchen tv. One of the lads on here suggested I press the monitor function button to stop the vcr going into standby mode but when I do it does not seem to make any difference it still shuts itself off after about 5mins or so, any thoughts. IF I can get the vcr/coax combination to work with out having to run in every 5mins to put the vcr back to E1 it would save me having to buy the Av sender. As I already have the coax running inbeind the skirting boards from the loung to the kitchen.



Cubix

tvbrat

cubix wrote:

Thanks think you have just about covered everything;)

Just one finally question, have a coax running in from the lounge into the kitchen.Have connected the vcr with a scart lead to the second scart socket on the pace box and then plugged the coax into the Rf outlet on the vcr/turned the vcr to E1 and the tv in the kitcen gets the same picture as whats on in the lounge. The problem I then have is the vcr goes into standby mode and I loose the signal on the kitchen tv. One of the lads on here suggested I press the monitor function button to stop the vcr going into standby mode but when I do it does not seem to make any difference it still shuts itself off after about 5mins or so, any thoughts.

It sounds like a problem with the vcr, I know thats not much help, perhaps a new vcr???

IF I can get the vcr/coax combination to work with out having to run in every 5mins to put the vcr back to E1 it would save me having to buy the Av sender. As I already have the coax running inbeind the skirting boards from the loung to the kitchen.
Cubix

If you split the coax with a good quailty cable splitter. One going into the digi box the other to to vcr, this will give you the analog channels in the kitchen and you will be able to view videos as well.

The best option is probably to get another AV Sender
If both AV Senders are the same make and model, the first transmitter
pluged into your un-switched scart, will serve both receivers, so you could see the same channel in the kitchen, lounge and another room, depending on the layout of your home and the thickness of the walls.

With my setup I have an AV Sender (transmitter) set up (as in my first post here) with a receiver in the bedroom and a receiver in another room.So I can view and change channels in 3 rooms.
It also means that I have a spare transmitter should I need it in the future.

cubix

tvbrat wrote:

If you split the coax with a good quailty cable splitter. One going into the digi box the other to to vcr, this will give you the analog channels in the kitchen and you will be able to view videos as well.

Not sure if this would work as I am on Ntl's mmds ariel service which I think is purley digital. So at the wall socket if I put a spilter and then one cable into the back of the pace box and one into the ariel "in socket" on the vcr you reckon if there is anologue channels they should view able through the rf outlet on the vcr

Cubix

tvbrat

cubix wrote:

Not sure if this would work as I am on Ntl's mmds ariel service which I think is purley digital. So at the wall socket if I put a spilter and then one cable into the back of the pace box and one into the ariel "in socket" on the vcr you reckon if there is anologue channels they should view able through the rf outlet on the vcr

Cubix

Hi Cubix
I'm not sure about Ntl's mmds as I'm on cable
If there are anologue channels you may be able to view them

Watty would be the one to ask about that

cubix

Thanks, nearly sure it was Watty that was saying ntl only transmit digital on their MMDs service. Think the simplest solution is to go the AV route

Cheers