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My Fitz EOM exit hand

  • 01-09-2006 1:36pm
    #1
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Long time since I've posted a hand so...

    El Stuntman correct me if my memory is not up to HJ grade :)

    20 players left. Top 18 get paid. Blinds 1k-2k, I am shorstack at the table with 15k and get AdJd in the CO. I raise it to 6k and El Stuntman on the button can't get his chips in fast enough. Easily covers me. I reckon I am almost certainly behind because El S seems solid enough not to be re-raising 2 off the money without something that crushes me but I call anyway. He has AQ and I'm out. After much thought I think I should have folded. I'm thinking I have almost a round of the table to find another hand and 2 players might have gone out in that time. Maybe not. Who knows. What do others think? Would you get in even if you knew you were behind in a position like this?


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭ollyk1


    9k to win 33k pot. 2.5/1 odds on my money. His range is probably 66+ and maybe AJ+ (my range would be especially if you would seriously consider folding AJ in this spot).

    I think you have to call for this price as you are a long way from the serious money unless you are a scaredy bubble cat ;)

    Of course I'm pushing not raising here btw.

    P.S. My advice should carry the disclaimer that I gamble and go broke quite a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭El Stuntman


    musician wrote:
    El Stuntman on the button can't get his chips in fast enough. Easily covers me. I reckon I am almost certainly behind because El S seems solid enough not to be re-raising 2 off the money without something that crushes me

    bad read!! :)

    I think the original bet was 8k so you only had 7k left. It was a nasty spot for you and for quite a while you looked as though you would fold it...I empathised (internally of course)

    I think ollyk's line is best though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    Olly pretty much nailed it.
    Your committed no matter what after your raise so just push.
    All the theory that “if I get called I will be behind “ does not apply here as you are gambling it up now to give your self a chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    With 7.5bb in co with AJ and it's folded around to me, I am pushing here every single time, just don't have enough chips to be doing anything else!

    I also call in that situation, you need double through and his range would include under-pairs which your 50-50 against.
    I try never to let bubble affect me and fold hands I normally wouldn't so this would be the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Norwich Fan Rob


    yes, at this stage i prefer to open push unless i am above avg stack.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Daithio


    Yeah it's an open push I reckon Brian. It gives people a bigger decision to make, and you'll get certain hands to fold that you won't with just the 6k raise. Also you're taking away the resteal if somebody is stupid enough to try it. After you'd raised I think you have to call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    Yeh Brian, I would have push all my chips in here and be glad to take the blinds, I think your raise was very big, maybe the standard 3 times the raise would have been enough and given you a chance to get away from it, but its hard to see why you wouldn't push all the chips in here when action was on you.

    Betting the 7k looks like you want action, I would have need a bigstack here to push you all in with AQ as thats not that great of a hand to be calling a all in with, if you've been playing solid and so close to the bubble.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Hmm I am pretty sure I raised it to 6k because I remember thinking it was 9k more to me. I made a conscious decision not to let the bubble affect my decision and it's more hindsight than anything that is making me question it. I think a push is the better play here allright. It was only when I got knocked out that the frustration hit me. I hate lasting that late with work the next day to win nothing. I had played really well with bugger all cards making some stop and gos/pushes several times with sweet fa and getting away with it and then 3-way action with AA finally gave me a decent stack towards the latter stages. By then I was confident I would go deep and it made it all the more irritating going out when I did. Oh well live and learn. I need a touch of Dave and Stuntman's luckbox factor :)
    Theres an idea for a TV show. The Luckbox Factor.


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