interesting 2/4 hand

Gholimoli · 01-09-2006 12:04pm #1

Have not been on the table for long.
Villain 1 on I don’t know anything about .
Villain 2 is a solid enough player.he likes to get involved with me in raised pots but he does not carry on post flop unless he has something.
Also pre flop he will reraise with a normal reraising range (KK,AK,AA,QQ ) and he is not that trappy pre flop.its very possible that he thinks im a maniac.

Stacks:
Me button :400
Villain one SB: 500
Villain 2 BB: 350

I open raise to 14 with KhKd
Villain one makes it 30 .
Villain 2 calls.

I was thinking about reraising here but with position I think there is potentially more value to be gained from under representing my hand.
Comments?

So I flat call and we see a flop 3 ways.

Flop(90)
Qh Th 4h

Its checked around to me .
Whats the plan?

Samba · 01-09-2006 12:09pm

65 is a good figure.

It allows us to get away from the hand if we face serious resistance, you say he only re-raises with Primo....

Be weary of QQ...they've checked to you knowing how aggro. you can be...

You could take a free card, however if the 4th street completes your flush, your only going to get action from a set looking to fill on the river or Ah....

spectre · 01-09-2006 1:10pm

I'm happy to check this flop. I think the only hand that gives us action is aces, a set and the nutflush draw (who will have 11 or possibly 13 outs if he has AQ, although this hand isn't very likely). There are more possibilites for a made hand so I check.
I'm assuming that the nut flush draw can only be AK(2 hands) or AQ(3 hands) .

If the turn is checked to me I bet regardless of what comes.

I call any turn bet and re-evaluate on the river

Lafortezza · 01-09-2006 1:19pm

Check the flop. Say you bet $70, if someone raises to $220 what do you do then? If the turn is a blank either call a bet, or bet if checked to.
If you get to the river try to see a showdown as cheap as possible.

Gholimoli · 01-09-2006 1:27pm

spectre wrote:

I'm happy to check this flop. I think the only hand that gives us action is aces, a set and the nutflush draw (who will have 11 or possibly 13 outs if he has AQ, although this hand isn't very likely). There are more possibilites for a made hand so I check.
I'm assuming that the nut flush draw can only be AK(2 hands) or AQ(3 hands) .

If the turn is checked to me I bet regardless of what comes.

I call any turn bet and re-evaluate on the river

good analysis.
i thought i was only ahead of JJ here and with the way the preflop action went i was happy to check the flop.
so i check behind.

Turn (90)
2c

SB leads for 70.
BB folds.
action back to me and i call.

river (230)
7h .SB shoves .
call or fold why?

Hectorjelly · 01-09-2006 2:12pm

I dont like preflop considering you are against 2 players and one of them thinks you are a maniac

spectre · 01-09-2006 2:12pm

Gholimoli wrote:

good analysis.
i thought i was only ahead of JJ here and with the way the preflop action went i was happy to check the flop.
so i check behind.

Turn (90)
2c

SB leads for 70.
BB folds.
action back to me and i call.

river (230)
7h .SB shoves .
call or fold why?

Ahh, the second nuts, wonderful!
I think that most often, he will have the nuts here.

You called his turn bet. If he doesn't have the Ah, he knows that there's a good chance that you have it. Therefore I don't think he shoves knowing that you likely have the nuts.

He's shoving hoping you'll make a crying call with the Kh.

Am I close?

DocO · 01-09-2006 2:28pm

He prob checked the flop knowin u were AGG and thinkin he was all over the flop , probably with Ah10 or more likely AhQ.
Preflop you could have found out were you against AA, QQ by re-rasing, you prob dint need to disguise ur hand considering they tot u were a maniac. If you had done this would have made action on the flop alot easier (ie pricing Ah out of flush)

Gholimoli · 01-09-2006 2:55pm

when i said he thinkg im a maniac i meant judging by post flop play and not pre-flop.
i have made some big bluffs and big calls against this player post flop thats why he thinks i could be a maniac.
my reasons for not reraising pre-flop was exactly this.to sell my hand short pre flop so i can extract more post flop out of him.
i also have position on the two of them so i felt i could do alot with the pot post flop.
anyways i think i should have folded this but i felt with AAh he would have bet on the flop .its possible he was waiting for a check raise but i just felt he would lead that flop.
also possible was a set QQ,TT that was hoping for a check raise.
i though about it for while and made a call.
he had QQ for a set .
i dont think i made a good call though.

breadmonkey · 01-09-2006 3:03pm

What I want to know is, if you are the villain (not this villain), what's your plan for the hand when the flop comes down?

EDIT: Does he have the Q of hearts?

valor · 01-09-2006 3:10pm

Qh is on the board

I dont like preflop considering the BB cold called. If he folded its fine, but as is I pump it to 125 or so

fuzzbox · 01-09-2006 3:14pm

Gholi - I like the call. Well played.

with AhAx he would surely bet the flop.
You hold the Kh, and the Qh is on the board. Only AhJh or AhTh are gonna be reraising here, and thats not as likely has the hand that he eventually showed down (QQ).

The old "reraise" ... oh wait - I flopped a set ... time to check .... action strikes again.

spectre · 01-09-2006 3:18pm

I think the villain played the hand about as badly as possible