right to push here?

jobless

Final table of a live multi tourney......8 left...

I've just doubled up to 12k (blinds 1/2k)....and i'm in seat 6....two limpers in front of me and i look down at 1010 and push (7k in pot)...
eventually the first limper called me with qj for 3/4's of his stack and hit a j.....

i seem to go out in later stages of tourneys with this move (pp push)......would i be better off calling here and hoping for a low flop?

5starpool

No, push is the right option every time here.

eoghan104

with a chance to improve your stack by 60% without having to see a flop its a good push. You dont wana get too fruity with tens when so shortstacked. its a loose call with qj in fairness!

breadmonkey

I would say total donkey call with QJ, I hope you Tony Ged him out of it!

jobless

breadmonkey wrote:

I would say total donkey call with QJ, I hope you Tony Ged him out of it!

I thought it was a loose call also....i think the fact i had pushed all in the previous hands to take the blinds made him call.... unfortunatley my tony g impression isnt that good so i decided against it
hey that could become a new expression....."some woman in a car cut out in front of me so i 'Tony Ged' her out of it!"

opr

With the amount in the pot and your stack size push is the correct option here.

You should not let the result of the hand influence your thinking on if you played it badly or not. Try to analysis the hand in terms of will the play in the long term suceed and did i just get unlucky in this particular situation.

The guy should never have made the call and when he does its a coin flip and you just get unlucky.

Opr

jimbling

in that position you should push with almost any two cards. I mean any two face cards, anything connecting (suited or not).... and anything that looks pretty and makes u feel good.

You could say it depends on a lot of details that are missing.. i.e. how short are you relative to others? what are the stacks of the two limpers?
but nothing would stop me from going all in with 10 10.

QJ is a pretty poor call... but then again, you could have been going all in with anything

30something

jimbling wrote:

QJ is a pretty poor call... but then again, you could have been going all in with anything

Which is precisely why he was called and precisely why he should be happy to be called.

Can't ask for more then to get your chips in ahead, you were favourite, just unlucky, but in the long run this pays.

Scouser in Dub

Not sure that it was as bad a call by QJ as others.

The guy has only 10BBs anyway so is going to have to move at some point. He knows that the OP is going push with a huge range so calling aint that bad imo with 19k in the pot and 12 to call someone who could push with almost anything makes some sense no?

Hitman Actual

Scouser in Dub wrote:

Not sure that it was as bad a call by QJ as others.

The guy has only 10BBs anyway so is going to have to move at some point. He knows that the OP is going push with a huge range so calling aint that bad imo with 19k in the pot and 12 to call someone who could push with almost anything makes some sense no?

The fact that he pushed after two limpers indicates a much narrower range than "almost anything", so he's not priced in here at all. The QJ needs to win here 40% of the time or so, and I doubt it's even close against the OP range, so bad call.

breadmonkey

Plus Mr QJ actually calls for 3/4 of his stack when he only has 16K, leaving himself with a whopping 2 BBs left to play with should he lose. That is just sad.

Daithio

opr wrote:

Try to analysis the hand in terms of will the play in the long term suceed and did i just get unlucky in this particular situation.
Opr

Doesn't quite live up to your high grammatical standards Opr.

poorbarman

push push push everytime.It was a poor call with QJ.What was he doing limping?He just got lucky and probably thought it was a great call.Try to play with him more often!

jimbling

lenny_leonard wrote:

The fact that he pushed after two limpers indicates a much narrower range than "almost anything", so he's not priced in here at all. The QJ needs to win here 40% of the time or so, and I doubt it's even close against the OP range, so bad call.

I dunno, I still reckon I would go with almost any two cards.

but QJ is just the worst kind of calling hand.... K high is beating u ffs. And to call for 3/4 your stack... brutal.

as said... try play with this guy more often.