ok slaughter me!!!

redzerdrog

Another hand from the city west that has been annoying me because i know i played it badly but would like opinions on it.

The blinds are 200/400 50ante the average stack is about 14,000 and i have just over 25,000 in the SB. UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, MP limps, the button limps, I complete the blind and the BB checks.

I have K 6 and the flop comes K 7 2, i check and its checked round to the button (30,000) who bets 1700 and I raise it to 5000 and he flat calls I think i was expecting him to fold or reraise.

The turn is another King and i still have no idea were i am in the hand so I checked and he bets 6000 and i called.

The river is a 10 and i check again and he pushes and i think about it and fold....

I think I played the entire hand terrible but would like some other opinions on it.

Norwich Fan Rob

looks like he has a set to me.
he raises the button after all those limpers with AK KQ , maybe even KJ.

I dont like the check raise a huge amount, building the pot out of pos with such a marginal hand is never good, try and keep this pot as small as possible.

I call the flop bet and re evaluate after the turn.

breadmonkey

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, MP limps, the button limps, I complete the blind and the BB checks.

Is this for real? I thought this was a big tourney.

5starpool

What is the button player like? Is he the type of player to do this with A7 for example if he believe you don't have a king or knows you have a weak kicker?

I sometimes call, sometimes fold to the flop bet here too without knowing much about your opponent. If I call then I likely check/call the turn too.

Breadmonkey - I expected the standard to be better too. On my table on the first hand of the tournie UTG minraised preflop, led the flop, checked the turn and led the river for 1/4 pot. He had KQo and had missed totally.

redzerdrog

5starpool wrote:

What is the button player like? Is he the type of player to do this with A7 for example if he believe you don't have a king or knows you have a weak kicker?.

I dont know much about the button he only joined the table 2/3 hands previous.

Gholimoli

with that many players left to act behind you folding is not bad at all.
for same reason check/raising that big is extreamly bad.you have alot of players acting behind you and any one of them could have made a set and slow played it.
the fact is you have a very marginal hand here and if you want to play it just call and see wot happens.
if you hadnt c/r there then the pot would not be this big then you could have easily afford to go to the river with this and also his bets would leak alot more infomation about his hand as well.

Norwich Fan Rob

i was amazed at some of the players in this also , given that most of the best players were in it, some total donkeys also appeared.

player who started on my left (and unfortunetely got moved b4 the end of level 2 when he has already done hald a stack) played a hand early on with me.

In level 1 , i call with TT (about 4th hand of the game, im in mid pos), he raises to 125, i call.

Flop comes QJ4, i check he checks, turn is something like a 3, check , check, river is a 6, i check again, he bets 450, i call, he has A6.
He was value betting a 6 here !!!
Then he goes beserk, saying how can i not raise pre flop with TT, (its level 1 remember, blinds 25/50, obviously im playing this for set value).
Then he goes on to say, if i had come over the top, he woulda called, and i actually believe him !!!
(he mentioned this hand outside to another player at the table, along the lines of, can u believe the way that muppet played the TT)
He genuinly didnt have a clue.

Another player came to me saying he had got fierce unlucky, he raised with AT as u do, and got a caller, flop comes AK4, so he bet 1200, got raised to 2400, so obviously he called, turn is a blank, he checks, guy bets 3k, so obviously he calls, river another blank, guy goes all in, so he folds, spot any mistakes there anyone !!

redzerdrog

Gholimoli wrote:

with that many players left to act behind you folding is not bad at all.
for same reason check/raising that big is extreamly bad.you have alot of players acting behind you and any one of them could have made a set and slow played it.
the fact is you have a very marginal hand here and if you want to play it just call and see wot happens.
if you hadnt c/r there then the pot would not be this big then you could have easily afford to go to the river with this and also his bets would leak alot more infomation about his hand as well.

yeh i am hating the check raise more and more here. I hadnt planned to CR it was only after the button bet i decided that i would try take it down by representing a stronger hand.

I didnt think he had a strong King because he didnt raise it after the limpers so i taught the 5000 would either make him fold or he would reraise with trips and i could get away from it.

Gholimoli

redzerdrog wrote:

yeh i am hating the check raise more and more here. I hadnt planned to CR it was only after the button bet i decided that i would try take it down by representing a stronger hand.

I didnt think he had a strong King because he didnt raise it after the limpers so i taught the 5000 would either make him fold or he would reraise with trips and i could get away from it.

why pay that much if your intending to getaway from it when you can do it by folding or just calling his bet.

redzerdrog

Gholimoli wrote:

why pay that much if your intending to getaway from it when you can do it by folding or just calling his bet.

Ah well it was a mistake what more can I say. That is why I am posting it up here to try and find these leaks and get them sorted out. Point taken Gholimoli..

connie147

connie147 wrote:

Breadmonkey - I expected the standard to be better too. On my table on the first hand of the tournie UTG minraised preflop, led the flop, checked the turn and led the river for 1/4 pot. He had KQo and had missed totally.

I have to say I found the opposite.My starting table was very strong and any table I moved to afterwards were full of solid players.I had a chat with Scotty Grey and he said the standard was extremely high.I suppose your always going to get some weak players but I didnt see too much deadwood over the week-end.[/QUOTE]

The Sheriff 101

connie147 wrote:

I have to say I found the opposite.My starting table was very strong and any table I moved to afterwards were full of solid players.I had a chat with Scotty Grey and he said the standard was extremely high.I suppose your always going to get some weak players but I didnt see too much deadwood over the week-end.

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Thats cause u were the deadwood connie

Gholimoli

connie147 wrote:

I have to say I found the opposite.My starting table was very strong and any table I moved to afterwards were full of solid players.I had a chat with Scotty Grey and he said the standard was extremely high.I suppose your always going to get some weak players but I didnt see too much deadwood over the week-end.

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Connie,
are you the same Connie from the Kerry team.
if so i think you were on my table to start with for most of the first day.
i was the one seating opposit you on the other side of the table.
that was a nice table:D

Hitman Actual

connie147 wrote:

I have to say I found the opposite.My starting table was very strong and any table I moved to afterwards were full of solid players.I had a chat with Scotty Grey and he said the standard was extremely high.I suppose your always going to get some weak players but I didnt see too much deadwood over the week-end.

We were on the same table on day 2 so, Scott was two to my left before he got knocked out. You were in seat 8? You played a very good game.

While some of the best players around were there, there was also a lot of complete idiots as well. The guy on my left who was tangling with Neill Kelly (BSP) was poor. He was the guy who knocked out Devore, and was making all sorts of fishy calls with suited cards. Also the guy who knocked me out was a bit fishy, just open-flat-calling in LP with AK/AQ, etc.

MrPillowTalk

I replied with a similat answer as this one to a hand connie played in cork last week, I think check raising out of the blinds for a significant portion of your stack is allmost allways a bad play, I would never do it unless I intend to play for the rest of my stack regardless of what villain does. If your not prepared to go with your whole stack dont put so mush of it in with such little information on the hand.

After he flat calls I am pushing any turn.

I saw some tables that were incredibly weak and some that were very very strong. My first table was full of guys who could play poker pretty damn well but they were all really tight so it was easy enough to play against, except for one donkey who duly donated his stack to me. The second table I was moved to and stayed there for the first half of day 2 played crazy, there were some good players on it and Neil Kelly was nursing a monster stack and creating a real action game, there was an all in every second hand but play was still pretty good. The third table I moved to had 5 players from the North on it and they played waaayyyy too tight and just let me run all over them. I thought play was pretty decent overall and more importantly I had a cracking weekend except for losing 3 monster pots when I was second in chips two tables out all to baaddd beats, the last one taking the biscuit.

Still no one said being an all ireland champ would be easy...........

Hitman Actual

MrPillowTalk wrote:

I had a cracking weekend except for losing 3 monster pots when I was second in chips two tables out all to baaddd beats, the last one taking the biscuit.

The last one when he hit the ten on the river, or are you talking about another one that I missed? Did you make the money, Eoin? You played a stormer for 2 days anyway.

Norwich Fan Rob

rory liffey raised, eoin came over the top, rory dwelt and was forced to call for pot odds, AT for eoin, 67 off for rory.

flop comes KQJ for broadway, only for runner runner 7 high flush for Laois !!

MrPillowTalk

lenny_leonard wrote:

The last one when he hit the ten on the river, or are you talking about another one that I missed? Did you make the money, Eoin? You played a stormer for 2 days anyway.

I think your thinking of the first one, where Joe pushed in the cutoff with 89 and I called on the button with AQ, Joe hit two pair for a 180k pot sigh

then I had AQ vs AJ for a 300k pot ugh

then I pushed for my last 100k with A10 from the sb when Liffey made it 40k to go in the cutoff, he was priced in and called with 67,

flop comes J Q K woohoo the nuts.........but wait!

turn a club
river a club and Liffeys 7 high flush wins out lol

Oh the joys of poker.

edit: your own exit was unlucky also, the fuy desrved to miss the draw open limping AQ on the button.

connie147

Gholimoli wrote:

Connie,
are you the same Connie from the Kerry team.
if so i think you were on my table to start with for most of the first day.
i was the one seating opposit you on the other side of the table.
that was a nice table:D[/QUOTE]

Yes Golli, that was me.You were in seat 2, I was in 9.With the stack you got,I couldnt really steal from the cut-off so I was limited to blind steals and real hands . One great hand from that table was the girl in seat 8 who folded the set of 5's on the turn.She bet out 1,000,on a board of 3-8-J-7 rainbow, you pushed all in over her head.She thought for about 5 mins and said "im not going home yet" and showed her cards( a set of 5's).Ill never forget your face and then after about 5 mins you said"great fold.I had a set of 7's". Classic for your table image but you werent fooling me. well played all day though,enjoyed the company.

connie147

lenny_leonard wrote:

We were on the same table on day 2 so, Scott was two to my left before he got knocked out. You were in seat 8? You played a very good game.

While some of the best players around were there, there was also a lot of complete idiots as well. The guy on my left who was tangling with Neill Kelly (BSP) was poor. He was the guy who knocked out Devore, and was making all sorts of fishy calls with suited cards. Also the guy who knocked me out was a bit fishy, just open-flat-calling in LP with AK/AQ, etc.

Cant remember.Were we involved in any hand against each other? It would be nice to put a face to the name.

cooker3

On a point of the standard, I have dealt all the ones at citywest this year and no matter what the buy in is, never fails to amaze me how bad some of the players are. It baffles me how people get the money they do.

Guys min raising with Q6 utg and then check calling K high flush on river on unpaired board when opponant blatantly doesn't have flush, so many examples I can give.
Although have to say boardies were all pretty good, Rob great call on HJ with the 2 pair.

Hitman Actual

connie147 wrote:

Cant remember.Were we involved in any hand against each other? It would be nice to put a face to the name.

I was in seat 2, straight down the table from you, although I dont think we tangled at all. I was the guy who got annoyed when Christy Morkan called clock on me after a flop raise to me, and I pushed AI because of it.

connie147

I remember the incident ok but cant put a face on you.Make sure you say hello next time our paths cross. (because of the high blinds and antes structure,average stack was constantly under pressure and average stack was all I was till I doubled up about 9.00pm on day 2. I was putting so much concentration into the game (Kerry were well in contention) much of the tournaments a blur lol).