imagaine

djeddy

:mad: imagaine john lennons imagaine was banned from been performed in a school in england, because someone said imagaine was anti religious

Tar.Aldarion

Good song, better spelling.

arbeitsscheuer

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Good song, better spelling.

Astonishing, innit?

"Imagaine", eh? The mind boggles...

wolfsbane

djeddy said:

imagaine john lennons imagaine was banned from been performed in a school in england, because someone said imagaine was anti religious

I think the point was that it was a religious school. The song is indisputably anti-religious, so it makes sense that it might be banned by such a school.

I wouldn't expect a Muslim school to sing "Jesus Christ is Risen Today, Hallelujah!"

Tar.Aldarion

I saw them discusing this song on the 'god channel'. How it is evil and why...

djeddy

hi, i think what john was saying, was to imagaine this world as a kind of heaven, liveing life as if we were in a heavenly world, loveing each other shareing the world as one, no killing, nothing to die for,

(i hope that makes sence)

UU

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

I saw them discusing this song on the 'god channel'. How it is evil and why...

I hate that channel! They say everything is a sin, abomination, evil, etc. on it except for Christianity and stuff.

'Imagine' is an amazing, beautiful and deep song. True, it is anti-religious and I can't deny that but it doesn't suprise me that a religious school would ban it anyhow. I don't see the big fuss over it, if that's the schools policy and rules, then that's it - case closed!

Here's the lyrics anyway:

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Puck

Ugh! The God Channel. One of my fears is that my friends who learn I'm a Christian will look at that and think that that is what I've become. I just don't have the hair volume or shiny white suits to carry it off anyway.

I like Imagine. Sometimes, actually a lot of the time, I'm anti-religion (not anti-Jesus though).

djeddy

:cool: imagine i spelt imagine the wrong way , then john lennon, used to spell in a different way, yep i beleive in jesus, which is different to beleiveing in religions,

wolfsbane

puck said:

Ugh! The God Channel. One of my fears is that my friends who learn I'm a Christian will look at that and think that that is what I've become.

Amen! to that.

I like Imagine.

Pleasant sound. But the ideology is plain daft. It has no grip on reality at all: bad religion tends to cause men to behave in particular bad ways; no religion tends to cause men to behave in other bad ways (witness Communism); true religion tends to cause men to behave in good ways.

The 'no religion' experiment has been disasterous whenever tried.

robindch

> > Ugh! The God Channel.
> Amen! to that.

Hey, wolfsbane, we agree on something -- quick, man the lifeboats!

> The 'no religion' experiment has been disasterous whenever tried.

I presume you're referring to Russia. Do you propose that all the problems that arose in the years 1917 to 1989 were directly caused by Stalin being an atheist? Given that Stalin was also a Georgian, and trained for three years to be an christian orthodox priest, do you believe that there could be a chance that Russia's problems might also have been caused by his belief in orthodoxy, or him being Georgian? Or do you believe that it may be possible that Russia's problems might have a deeper cause than the one that you currently accept?

wolfsbane

robindch said:

Hey, wolfsbane, we agree on something -- quick, man the lifeboats!

I presume you're referring to Russia. Do you propose that all the problems that arose in the years 1917 to 1989 were directly caused by Stalin being an atheist? Given that Stalin was also a Georgian, and trained for three years to be an christian orthodox priest, do you believe that there could be a chance that Russia's problems might also have been caused by his belief in orthodoxy, or him being Georgian? Or do you believe that it may be possible that Russia's problems might have a deeper cause than the one that you currently accept?

It wasn't just Stalin. Before and after him the Soviet empire enforced atheism as best it could. They took over Orthodoxy and made it a lap-dog to cater for a generation or two, until education made religion unnecessary. They gulaged or executed those who taught Christianity. And of course, Communism repeated this practice wherever it could: China, Albinia, North Korea, etc. In fact, the French Revolution brought anti-religion terror on to the scene even before the Communists.

That is not to say much of the religious organizations did not deserve all they got - the pity was the good and just were condemned by the atheists just as much as the perverted exploiters (the Established Churches). Had the atheists wanted to destroy the exploiters of the poor, they would have been regarded as benefactors by the ordinary true believer. Before the Revolution, it was the Baptists and other simple Christians who were the objects of persecution (and of course, the Jews).