Hand from Citywest 400 side event

ianmc38

It's 2 off the bubble.

Blinds are 1500/3000 with an ante of 300. I have 63k. Average 43k.

Roy Brindley makes it 9k from mid position. He has just shown big aces twice after raising preflop and everyone folding.

I have JJ on the BB and flat call.

Flop comes 245. Whats the plan for the rest of the hand.

mdwexford

if hes playing aggressive then id check it into him and hope he bets and come ott

how many chips has he???

Goodluck2me

if he has less chips than you, open push. he will be wondering was it a bluff/double bluff etc and wont want to gamble so close to bubble. you really want to end this hand as quickly as possible imo as a flop with no overcards is a dream.

fuzzbox

CRAI, sux if you lose.
if he is short on chips then I might open shove.

shoutman

I think a lot of this hand will depend on his chip stack. Obviously there is the possibility that he has aa/kk/qq but I think if that was the case you just got unlucky running jacks into such a hand.

Also I think if he has more chips then you some of the reasoning would have to come down to 1) are you playing for the win or 2 would you be happy to make the money) Obviously everyone should play like they normally do at bubble time, or even loosen up as others tighten, but for me I dont like an open push, especially against Mr Brindley who I'm sure would see going out one after the bubble and one before the bubble as not too different.
That said this could induce a call if he thinks you are at it.

That said if he does have a premium hand and you open push you just gave him an easy double up.
I'd probably check raise here.
If he re-raises all in then you have a decision to make...
but once again a lot of the decisions for me would come down to how much damage to your stack would there be if he doubled through you.

30something

I'm not keen on the check-raise cause if he's a big A you're giving him a free card. I would play this normal and lead-out, if he raises then assess.

shoutman

But I think that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the time the opponent will be putting in a continuation bet in this position... wouldnt you?

fuzzbox

shoutman wrote:

But I think that the overwhelmingly vast majority of the time the opponent will be putting in a continuation bet in this position... wouldnt you?

I would tend to check an awful lot of hands on this board, in position.

A flat call by preflop is often a medium pair. A 5-high board is not a great one for a bluff CB.

shoutman

I understand what you are saying fuzzbox, but I still think that at this stage of a tournement with 18k in the middle and average stack being a bit more then twice that there is two much in the middle not to have a stab at it. If checked to Brindley, yes he could be thinking that Ian might have called with a mid pair and might CRAI but similarily don't you think that if Ian checked and had AJ/AQ as he might also have with a call he would put it down to a continuation bet?

fuzzbox

A good line might be to lead for like 7k or something. Roy might come ott with TT- or even bluff-shove AK/AQ.

Doc Farrell

All you can eat baby!
Charley Murphy!

i've got a feeling this movie doesn't have a happy ending.....

Hitman Actual

What is Roy's stack? For some reason I think if you check it to Roy here, he will check it also with overcards to your JJ, unless he has a stack he can afford to bluff off. So I think I bet out and hope to take it down. If he re-raises AI, it's a judgement call; I think you're ahead but I also dont think Roy re-raises with bare overcards, so if he comes ott I seriously consider laying it down.

Edit: Just saw that the board is 245, so he probably does make a semi-bluff stab at it with a big Ace, so CRAI sounds good too.

fuzzbox

Doc Farrell wrote:

All you can eat baby!
Charley Murphy!

i've got a feeling this movie doesn't have a happy ending.....

yeah - ian prolly CRAI, and roy calls with AK and hits a 3.

Ollieboy

This hand really depends on Roy's stack, he can only call a big bet with AA/KK and maybe QQ, so if you bet out about 12k your committed to the pot and he should go away, if he comes over the top or flat calls, I would be concern about AA or trips, but I cant see him raising with small pp's, but than again, maybe he was happy to take the blinds preflop. All depends on his stack.

I might have re-raise here to find out how much he like his hand preflop also.

Samba

fuzzbox wrote:

A good line might be to lead for like 7k or something. Roy might come ott with TT- or even bluff-shove AK/AQ.

Perfect......

ianmc38

Roy had about 10k more than me.

Doc Farrell

Ian, go to youtube.com and type in Dave Chapelle and Rick James and watch the funniest 15 minutes of comedy I've seen in years. It'll cheer you up no end. be sure to watch the longest clip.
Charlie Murphy!
cocaine's .... a hell of a drug....

ianmc38

Lol Des. Thx.

The story didnt have a happy ending as I did indeed go for the CRAI only to find Roy with pocket queens

Ollieboy

ianmc38 wrote:

Lol Des. Thx.

The story didnt have a happy ending as I did indeed go for the CRAI only to find Roy with pocket queens

Just unlucky, it was a horrible flop for JJ with QQ out there and I dont know how you would have got away from it, maybe value betting would have been an option, but I would have been looking to reach the final table and not just make the money, so I would have flat called and also push on the flop.

ianmc38

Yeah that was my thinking Ollie. There were 14 left 12 getting paid. 1st-3rd were the only good payouts. 7th-12th paid 2.5k-800 and winning that hand would have given me the chip lead.

El Stuntman

I go broke here too (JJ = the current Hand of Death)

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