MTT Hand - Opinions Please

sikes

2nd Level of scalps

50/100

UTG+1 (2700) - Loose and passive when misses the flop, makes it 300 to go. folded to me in the CO (3600) and make it 800 with 67s.

Flop A, 6, 2

UTG+1 pushes all in for 1900. giving me just under 2/1 on the call.

He is well capable of making a move and am sure he put me on kk, qq. his preflop raise could be a8+, any broadway cards and most pp's<JJ.

call or fold?

ianmc38

Are you joking? He's passive postflop and now pushes the flop? Surely that answers your question. Unless you have a flush draw as well?

Lex

Do you mean loose/aggressive? capable of pushing with air?
If not, just under 2/1 is isnt a price to take with mid-par no kicker.

5starpool

This is one of these 'I called, and hit to beat his A9 and he complained - was I right?' posts isn't it?

As Ian says, if you believe he is passive post flop when he misses but this time he bets, how can you say he is possibly bluffing here?

El Stuntman

sikes wrote:

UTG+1 (2700) - Loose and passive when misses the flop, makes it 300 to go. folded to me in the CO (3600) and make it 800 with 67s.

why? do you think you'll be able to outplay him post-flop?

Hitman Actual

sikes wrote:

his preflop raise could be a8+, any broadway cards and most pp's<JJ.

call or fold?

His pre-flop raising range is wide, but that doesn't mean his pushing range on the flop after calling a reraise is so wide. Getting 2/1 isn't nearly enough here, I'd say.

I bet you weren't the guy with the 67s, though.

Edit: Do you really think he puts you on such a tight range as QQ or KK. And that he's trying to push you off an A-high flop? Strange hand, sikes!

sikes

when oop position, like when he calls a raise from the bb, which he always did, he would check fold the raggiest of flops. so to answer the question, yes the reraise was to isolate to take down the pot >80% of the time on the flop.

he had been passive post flop, but he has never been reraised. i think for the first time he thinks he knows what his opponent has. Now a ace has come, my thinking was if he had an ace, why push all in? surely he is letting me bet with my kk,qq.

Hitman Actual

If you really think he's doing that without an Ace 80% of the time, then, going on your original range for him, I think it's a call.

5starpool

I don't think his bet is at all suspicious. His all in is basically a pot sized bet. The range of hands that beat second pair crap kicker is quite big (77+, Ax). Of course it is possible that he has KQ or the like (the only type of hand that he can really have that you beat since he raised from EP), but you have to ask what hands he would raise with from EP and then flat call with.

Lots of players raise any A from any position or any pair from any position (except AA,KK,QQ because they want to be cute). You are behind the vast amount of those hands, if indeed as Lenny says this is not one of those reverso posts.

sikes

the problem i had was the the 6 was too small, if i had reraised with 9,10 and hit a a 10 2 flop, i think i am calling here, as the hand played out, cos i am also beating his pp <10.

the 80% was referring to flops that he would check to me on a non scary board for kk/qq.

just to confirm I did have the 67s and i dont know for sure what he had. this was the first reraise *pre*flop at the table thats why i am sure of the range, also it was commented by other players what i had.

edit: changed post to pre, sorry 5star, typo

5starpool

This wasn't a reraise post flop, this was a bet. I am not being picky, but there is a big difference. 90% of the time this is the right laydown. I am not liking the preflop reraise by you though. Why not not make it a proper reraise if you are doing it in the first place?

Samba

Hi Sikes, I was the one who asked you did you have a big Pair, Seat 2/3

I think you had him beaten here, im very familiar with this player and he constantly pulls these moves to pick up pots..

He was caught pulling these moves a few times however it's a tough call as he is likely to make the same move holding an A.

From his body language he seemed very cool, calm and collective, his breathing was normal which generally does not indicate strength in my experience.


I managed to build my stack up to around 18k when down to 14 players.

Blinds at 500-1k 1 limper (who limps with monsters) sb (serial donkey limper) completes, i check with QJ, flop came QQ6 two hearts, check check, limper bet 2k, sb called, i made it 8k.... limper folds and CL serial donkey puts me all in.

I called without hesitation and he has Q4 and that was the end of my tournament.........36k pot which would have put me in the lead...

It's a sick game (sorry for not using the bb thread)

sikes

5starpool wrote:

This wasn't a reraise post flop, this was a bet. I am not being picky, but there is a big difference. 90% of the time this is the right laydown. I am not liking the preflop reraise by you though. Why not not make it a proper reraise if you are doing it in the first place?

changed the original post, sorry

the reason for the smallish reraise was two fold.

1) hand in the first level, picked up pocket sixes and raise to 150. then bet 200 when i flopped quads no callers. ignore the way i played this hand! after 2 callers preflop it was 200 into a pot of 500. it was commented that the bet was suspicious, and hoped the table would have picked up the size of the bet.

2) the stack sizes were not huge and i dont want to pot commit him to the hand. i think 800 in this case is the right size. will leave him with roughly 2k.

ul samba, for some reason i figured u for a boardsie, the quad sixes were a mess of a hand, but after everyone folded, the only way to gain from the hand was to show!

Hitman Actual

I think this hand is very hard for others to discuss/analyse, cos it's very situational. Anyone reading the OP will just take it as an easy fold, but there's a lot of information missing from it, especially the hands played up to this, and the particular reads on the villain. Even with the info, I think it's a real gut-instinct, on-the-spot moment as to whether you call or not.

I'm assuming you folded and he flashed a hand you were beating? It sounds like your reads were fairly spot on in the hand anyway, which is a good sign.

ntlbell

It wasn't Player X was it?

sikes

true lenny, i forgot far too much in the original post.

he didnt flash a hand unfortunatley and am certain he didnt have an ace, unfortunatley my second pair wasnt strong enough, at the time, to look him up. but looking back and still having my rebuy i think a call was correct.

nevermind, off to the fitz 150 probably tonight getting poker out of my system before my final year.

edit: nah wansnt him, i avoid player x at all costs! were u at the table last night ntl?

ntlbell

sikes wrote:

true lenny, i forgot far too much in the original post.

he didnt flash a hand unfortunatley and am certain he didnt have an ace, unfortunatley my second pair wasnt strong enough, at the time, to look him up. but looking back and still having my rebuy i think a call was correct.

nevermind, off to the fitz 150 probably tonight getting poker out of my system before my final year.

edit: nah wansnt him, i avoid him at all costs! were u at the table last night ntl?

No I wasn't...I'd have paid off your Quad 6's....that's my board...:D