macau €500 hand

nicnicnic

I've got 18500 in chips adv is about 11k and limp in mid with KQs two other limper's i think, button is chip leader at table with about 28/30k makes it 1800. Two players sitting next to me tell me after button has taken down a big one earlier that he is ultra aggressive when he gets a stack. Hasn't been that active though and got his chips in big pots.

looks like a steel to me and I fancy a flop which brings Kh 10h black rag. I check he bets 3k and I make it 6k button pushes:eek: , your move?

cardshark202

1. Don't min-raise.
2. Call all in

RichieLawlor

cardshark202 wrote:

1. Don't min-raise.
2. Call

Dunno whether i agree with this. If you call and the turn brings a scare card like another heart or an Ace then where are you. id definitley raise to get some kind of info of where i am in the hand.
What range of hands do you put him on here AK, maybe Ah Xh, is he likely to push with J Q. if he is super agressive then all are possible but nicky said he is playing solid and won his chips in big pots.
i think im probably letting this go, The only hand your in really good shape against is K J.

peeko

RichieLawlor wrote:

id definitley raise to get some kind of info of where i am in the hand.

I don't like the min raise to aquire information. Would deffo make it more than 3k. Possible 7-10k to get a better opinion on where we stand.

TheRock

If i'm coming in with KQs in mid pos first to act, I'm coming in for a raise. It just defines the hands better that follow. Because you limped & got 2 other limpers, then a possible steal it makes everything that follows more difficult to play/read.

In the position postflop I think I would also have bet the flop, by checking then minraising, your just building the pot on a scary board with only top pair.
Small Hand Small Pot, Big Hand Big Pot!!!

As to the question what to do with the push, In the absence of any other reads or info I think you probably have to lay it down:(

ntlbell

RichieLawlor wrote:

Dunno whether i agree with this. If you call and the turn brings a scare card like another heart or an Ace then where are you. id definitley raise to get some kind of info of where i am in the hand.
What range of hands do you put him on here AK, maybe Ah Xh, is he likely to push with J Q. if he is super agressive then all are possible but nicky said he is playing solid and won his chips in big pots.
i think im probably letting this go, The only hand your in really good shape against is K J.

Shark is saying call the all-in I assume not call the bet.

Open limping here is bad.
Min raising is bad.

califano

nicnicnic wrote:

looks like a steel to me

In my experience with 3 limpers a raise from the button is hardly ever a steal.

You didnt mention what the blinds were.

ianmc38

Why put in more than 50% of our stack to find out where we are?

bops

Me - fold like a big girl
You - put all your chips in on a marginal hand


...ahhh some people have all the luck... (at least i've the looks)

worst 3 hands in poker:
AA
AK
KQ suited

...lucky boy nicky did u win the tourney after??

bops

...don't forget to give Neill back his underpants...


(try and explain your way outta that one...)

rogue trader

Nicky, don't know if you remember but i went out of the main event with something similar when you were to my right. I have KsQs in mid position and raise ( i have raised 2 hands before and taken them down). Get re raised. I think the guy is protecting his blind so call looking to bet out on low flop. Flp comes K J rag. I check he bets 2000, i (stupidly) re raise all in. He calls and turns over AK.

2 points.
Firstly, i think this is a fold.

secondly I think KQ, although suited, is a mediocre hand against a raise unless you catch some of the suit u need or u hit 2 pair or trips, but on a Q high flop or K high flop u can easily be up against AK or AQ. It;s anice hand looking to steal but from mid position can get u into lots of trouble

nicnicnic

Blinds were 150/300. I called for three reasoned

1. my initial thoughts was a steal so I'm putting him on a huge starting range of hands and I'm only behind K 10, K rag small set and 1010.

2. player has taken down a big hand earlier in a raised pot with a flopped flush small suited so i know he likes playing them and an aggressive player will push here with the flush draw.

3. he looks like he doesn't want a call.

I will often min raise I know it can be weak but against good players its a bet that i have used very successfully in the past.

anyhow i call and lucky enough he misses his draw he has 6h7h

bops

...have been thinkin about this hand for a while...

nobody has recomended a safer play that you could have made (besides not limping in in the 1st place )

a play that i often find profitable is to just call his 3k bet after the flop!

if turn is a K Q or J yuo have strenghtened your hand, - i underestand you are giving the fish a free card but if its a dreaded hart u know what to do!!

if you did'nt like the turn or the following bet - your stack was still healthy enough for you to get away from it.

a call is often much more scary imo than a raise - a min raise often appears weak and does not give you much more info if they call it.

bops

How did John, Chris, and yourself fair out anyways??

(Ian here btw)

nicnicnic

bops wrote:

How did John, Chris, and yourself fair out anyways??

(Ian here btw)

alright Ian did a deal in the end, game went on and on, on sunday and with 5 left blinds were about to hit 4k 8k and with 460k total in play, was just becoming a crap shoot. Deal was done on chip ratio's winner got 7.3 I got 5.1 other 3 4.9 3.9 and 3.2 i think. chris went out in 8th in a race and john 13th i think.

as for the hand, well you know me I'm not exactly textbook and I'm not one for two card crashes so like to play a few flops. I know how bad KQ can be but could as easily been in this hand with 10 8 os and made the call if I felt I was in front.

nicnicnic

TheRock wrote:

If i'm coming in with KQs in mid pos first to act, I'm coming in for a raise. It just defines the hands better that follow. ............

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alan you aint coming into the hand with QK full stop it aint one of the top 7:D