New Naas Dual Carriageway

narommy

(Firstly I'm sorry if you are related to one of the people in question but they should learn to drive)

I'm really pee'd off

Wtf is wrong with the leftmost (Slow ) lane.

Why won't people use it if they are going considerably slower than the traffic in front of them. and there is a que of cars behind them.

I have used this road twice outbound today already and I have seen people forced to undertake because of outside lane hoggers.

A little red Yaris in the outside lane driving paralell to cars in the lanes to the left. A slight acceleration would have allowed this car to have overtaken and get infront of the car to the left.

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the mos frustrating thing was that there was in excess of a mile of clear lanes infront of this car.
Eventually the leftmost car pulled ahead and several cars undertook. at which point the red Yaris gave up at trying to hold back all the cars behind it and pulled in :rolleyes:

But there was a car infront with a few hundred metres between it and the red car. There was plenty of room to slot into the traffic to the left but this person felt that they had the right to hog the *edit* right*edit* lane. They got flashed and blown off the road for several minutes before they got moved aside.

I just can't understand it?????

Atomic Pineapple

lack of experience on a three lane road?

zod

* my sig *

Wishbone Ash

narommy wrote:

They got flashed and blown off the road for several minutes before they got moved aside.

It can be frustrating. When I'm behind a vehicle in the right lane (and the left lane is empty) I give them about 30 seconds to move over. Then I give one polite quick flash of the headlights. If they don't move I just resign myself to that fact. I have a fair bit of patience. I find that some seem to take offence to any further flash of the lights and hit the brakes or refuse to move over so I only do it once.

What is wrong with these people? I'm sure that they are ordinary decent pleasant members of society when not on a dual road. Why do they become so stubborn behind the wheel?

Please, please have some consideration and move over if the left lane is vacant.

jimmycrackcorm

Wonderful road and it has made an incredible difference. I'd say that people are simply not used to having three lanes. I too noticed the lack of lane discipline but the problem is as often observed in the UK has to do with middle lane drivers who should be in the left lane. I've noticed that the fast lane gets clogged up with a queue of cars.

imeddyhobbs

it has 3 lanes as we all know so its not a dual carriageway
the sooner that people understand that driving slow on any road in any lane in any country causes problems the better!
i drive about 2000km per week and i meet a lot of hold ups caused by slow drivers,this causes frustration to me and i will take chances to get past these nuisances,they are a hazzard and they need to know this,we need minimun speed limits on all roads!!!!!

Mayshine

imeddyhobbs wrote:

it has 3 lanes as we all know so its not a dual carriageway
the sooner that people understand that driving slow on any road in any lane in any country causes problems the better!
i drive about 2000km per week and i meet a lot of hold ups caused by slow drivers,this causes frustration to me and i will take chances to get past these nuisances,they are a hazzard and they need to know this,we need minimun speed limits on all roads!!!!!

Of course its a dual carraigeway. Albeit one with 3 lanes in each direction

Wishbone Ash

imeddyhobbs wrote:

it has 3 lanes as we all know so its not a dual carriageway

Dual Carriageway - that is two carriageways, to Dublin and from Dublin. The number of lanes is irrelevant.

imeddyhobbs wrote:

we need minimun speed limits on all roads

It's not always the driver. Some vehicles are unable or not legally permitted to travel any faster.

Moped limited to 45kph.
Double deck buses limited to 64kph.
Trucks (over 3.5 tonnes) limited to 80kph.
Vehicle towing another limited to 50kph.

And then there are a vast array of work vehicles which are be legally entitled to travel on a public road but which are unable to travel quickly. e.g, tractors and other farm machinery, forklift trucks, rubber wheeled diggers/excavators. teleporters etc.

narommy

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Then I give one polite quick flash of the headlights. If they don't move I just resign myself to that fact. I have a fair bit of patience. I find that some seem to take offence to any further flash of the lights and hit the brakes or refuse to move over so I only do it once.

Normally this would be my approach.
But she made no effort to move in for two minutes or so. I flashed once there was a blatent opportunity for a poor driver to move to the left. Still no reaction. Then at the next opportunity I kept full lights on. Still very little reaction, so beeped and flashed until she moved in. Over this time I'd say 15-20 cars had undertaken on the far left lane but I wanted to make the point.

It was a she btw but men seem to be worse for this problem

Did the same journey again last night. no issues

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no traffic

Wishbone Ash

narommy wrote:

Over this time I'd say 15-20 cars had undertaken on the far left lane but I wanted to make the point.

Yes, same here. I prefer to make the point too and never overtake on the inside (or 'undertake' as many drivers say).

Victor

narommy wrote:

hog the left lane.

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Lex Luthor

My philosophy is....flash them once. If they don't respond within 5 seconds and I can safely pass them on the slower lane, I will do it. There is no law against going faster on the inner lanes as long as you don't break the speed limit....(is there?)

Victor

Lex Luthor wrote:

My philosophy is....flash them once. If they don't respond within 5 seconds and I can safely pass them on the slower lane, I will do it. There is no law against going faster on the inner lanes as long as you don't break the speed limit....(is there?)

Yes there is, you are only meant to pass on the left in slow moving traffic and when you are turning left or they are turning right

overdriver

narommy wrote:

I flashed once there was a blatent opportunity for a poor driver to move to the left. Still no reaction. Then at the next opportunity I kept full lights on. Still very little reaction, so beeped and flashed until she moved in.

Firtsly, she probably didn't think she was a poor driver. As for the beeping and flashing, two wrongs do not make a right. I have been overtaking in the overtaking lane, at the speed limit, when some eejit comes up behind me way over the limit, and starts that carry-on.
I'll move when my overtaking is done, and not before, but if he's beeping and / or flashing, I might just take my time about it.
It's just rude, mate.

darkbeatz

I reckon people get the fear when driving on this road the sooner its finished the better

NeMiSiS

Thought it was totally finished now ? 90% of the traffic problems on the roads is down to pathethic driving, I was stuck in a quque of 8 cars the other day.. behind a guy doing 25 MPH. On the way back.. stuck in a quque of say 30 cars behind a tractor.. I wanted to rip his eyeballs out, and pour salt in the sockets..

TK

Lord Nikon

TBH, if someone doesn't move from the overtaking lane, and their is room to drive in the left lane, then I'll do it. The Gardai are hardly bothered to uphold most traffic rules, doubt they will pull me over for it. Also, have yet to see a Traffic Corp vehicel on M50 for god sake.

Depends on my mood, but I'll usually blow someone out of it, if they don't react to my light flashing. Two wrongs don't make a right, true, but who is the first to be in the wrong.

Basically, if you don't know the rules of the road, you shouldn't be on the road.

mike65

Hav'nt we got a thread on this topic? YES!

All thats required is for the cops to go big on this for a while, stick the blues and twos on and wave them over for a stern lecture.

Mike.

Wishbone Ash

neuromancer wrote:

their is room to drive in the left lane, then I'll do it.

Basically, if you don't know the rules of the road, you shouldn't be on the road.

Maybe you should familiarise yourself with those rules neuromancer. It is illegal to overtake on the left in the circumstances outlined.

There is a big difference between knowing the ROTR and obeying them.

Lord Nikon

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Maybe you should familiarise yourself with those rules neuromancer. It is illegal to overtake on the left in the circumstances outlined.

There is a big difference between knowing the ROTR and obeying them.

Say a car is driving down the overtaking lane at 80kph on the M50, does every car behind him have to do 80kph whether they are in the overtaking lane or not.

If a cop pulled me in for undertaking, i would say i wasn't undertaking, but merely driving down that lane at the legal limit.

What if I was to join a motorway via a sliproad, doing 100kph, and some guy was doing 80kph in the overtaking lane, do I have to slow down because it would be seen as undertaking??

It's a grey area.

mike65

If a cop pulled me in for undertaking, i would say i wasn't undertaking, but merely driving down that lane at the legal limit.

The Gardai love a comedian.

Mike.

Seth Brundle

Victor wrote:

Yes there is, you are only meant to pass on the left in slow moving traffic...

Is it "slow moving traffic" or "when traffic is moving slower"
I had thought it was the latter.
Assuming you are correct Victor, does the law define "slow moving traffic"?

peasant

it is kind of a hard one to call, this ...

You're driving along in the correct, the left lane on a reasonably busy 3 lane road within the speed limit at 110 kmh.
Your lane is empty.

Then you come up to two packets of cars (5 - 10, bumper to bumper), one is in the middle lane doing 80 the other one is overtaking the first at 90.

So what do you do? Keep in your lane at your speed and "undertake" everybody ...or slow down and join the outside lane pack only to move to the far left after you're finished overtaking the middle pack and then continue on your merry way faster than everybody else??

one move is potentially dangerous and illegal ..the other is just daft

prospect

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

Wonderful road and it has made an incredible difference. I'd say that people are simply not used to having three lanes. I too noticed the lack of lane discipline but the problem is as often observed in the UK has to do with middle lane drivers who should be in the left lane. I've noticed that the fast lane gets clogged up with a queue of cars.

It is a middle lane fetish..
Drive the new N7 late at night when there is very few cars. The vast majority will tootle along in the centre or outside lane, even thought there is nothing around them, it is unreal.
The other evening i was going along in the left lane. A car was coming down the sliproad at Kill, so I moved into the middle lane where there was a car infront of me, so I moved out into the right lane to pass him/her. There is another car in the right lane, doing the same speed as the car in the middle lane but about 5 car lengths in front. He/she sees me, indicates into the centre lane, and when I pass he/she indicates right and back out into the right lane?????? I was the only car infront of him/her.

NeMiSiS

The GOV should fund some kinda driver education TV programme, and run it once or twice a week,.. after Nationwide..

TK

d4r3n

I thought the rule about overtaking on the left was

1. If your turning left
2. If they're turning right
3. If the lane your in is moving faster than the outside lane

Is that not it or am I way off? I was asked that at my driving test and gave that answer to the tester and he seemed happy with it.

Surely if they're doing 80 kph on the motorway in the overtaking lane and you pass on the inside doing under 120 kph it should be fine no?