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Athanasian Creed - Part II

  • 18-08-2006 7:27pm
    #1
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    Due to unknown reasons behind closure of the Athanasian Creed thread I decided to open it's sister - Part II.

    I don't think it's fair that moderators close threads just because they feel like it. No warnings, no explanation, nothing, except the key in the lock.

    If anyone wants to shed some more light on this subject, welcome!


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  • #2
    BrianCalgary
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    The first Athanasian Thread was locked because it became a discussion on the trinity. So I opened a new thread and called it Trinity and brought the discussion there.

    With regard to the Athanasian Creed, I don't put any stock in it because it only allows for salvation within the Catholic church. Wheras salvation is available to anyone who prefesses faith in Jesus the Christ.


  • #3
    Medina
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    BrianCalgary wrote:
    With regard to the Athanasian Creed, I don't put any stock in it because it only allows for salvation within the Catholic church. Wheras salvation is available to anyone who prefesses faith in Jesus the Christ.


    I'm not sure that the Catholic Church puts any stock in it either.
    When I did a search on the Catholic Catechism, here are all their references under the section entitled

    PART ONE
    THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
    SECTION TWO
    THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

    CHAPTER TWO
    I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD

    ARTICLE 2
    "AND IN JESUS CHRIST, HIS ONLY SON, OUR LORD"

    Here are the sources that this whole section references:

    The references in red are the ones that are used to the critical passage (pasted below) that he is the only son of God. I can't see any reference to the Athanasian creed there.

    18 Cf. Lk 1:31.
    19 Mt 1:21; cf. 2:7.
    20 Deut 5:6.
    21 Cf. Ps 51:4,12.
    22 Cf. Ps 79:9.
    23 Cf. Jn 3:18; Acts 2:21; 5:41; 3 Jn 7; Rom 10:6-13.
    24 Acts 4:12; cf. 9:14; Jas 2:7.
    25 Cf. Ex 25:22; Lev 16:2,15-16; Num 7:89; Sir 50:20; Heb 9:5,7.
    26 Rom 3:25; 2 Cor 5:19.
    27 Phil 2:9-10; cf. Jn 12:28.
    28 Cf. Acts 16:16-18; 19:13-16; Mk 16:17; Jn 15:16.
    29 Cf. Ex 29:7; Lev 8:12; 1 Sam 9:16; 10:1; 16:1,12-13; 1 Kings 1:39; 19:16.
    30 Cf. Ps 2:2; Acts 4:26-27.
    31 Cf. Isa 11:2; 61:1; Zech 4:14; 6:13; Lk 4:16-21.
    32 Lk 2:11.
    33 Jn 10:36; cf. Lk 1:35.
    34 Mt 1:20; cf. 1:16; Rom 1:1; 2 Tim 2:8; Rev 22:16.
    35 St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 3,18,3:PG 7/1,934.
    36 Acts 10:38; Jn 1:31.
    37 Mk 1:24; Jn 6:69; Acts 3:14.
    38 Cf Mt 2:2; 9:27; 12:23; 15:22; 20:30; 21:9,15.
    39 Cf. Jn 4:25-26; 6:15; 11:27; Mt 22:41-46; Lk 24:21.
    40 Cf. Mt 16:16-23.
    41 Jn 3:13; Mt 20:28; cf. Jn 6:62; Dan 7:13; Isa 53:10-12.
    42 Cf. Jn 19:19-22; Lk 23:39-43.
    43 Acts 2:36.
    44 Cf. Deut 14:1; (LXX) 32:8; Job 1:6; Ex 4:22; Hos 2:1; 11:1; Jer 3:19; Sir 36:11; Wis 18:13; 2 Sam 7:14; Ps 82:6.
    45 Cf. 1 Chr 17:13; Ps 2:7; Mt 27:54; Lk 23:47.
    46 Mt 16:16-17.
    47 Gal 1:15-16.
    48 Acts 9:20.
    49 Cf. 1 Thess 1:10; Jn 20:31; Mt 16:18.
    50 Lk 22:70; cf. Mt 26:64; Mk 14:61-62.
    51 Cf. Mt 11:27; 21:34-38; 24:36.
    52 Mt 5:48; 6:8-9; 7:21; Lk 11:13; Jn 20:17.
    53 Cf. Mt 3:17; cf. 17:5.
    54 Jn 3:16; cf. 10:36.
    55 Jn 3:18.
    56 Mk 15:39.
    57 Rom 1:3; cf. Acts 13:33.
    58 Jn 1:14.
    59 Cf. Ex 3:14.
    60 Cf. 1 Cor 2:8.
    61 Cf. Mt 22:41-46; cf. Acts 2:34-36; Heb 1:13; Jn 13:13.
    62 Cf Mt 8:2; 14:30; 15:22; et al.
    63 Cf. Lk 1:43; 2:11.
    64 Jn 20:28,21:7.
    65 Cf. Acts 2:34-36; Rom 9:5; Titus 2:13; Rev 5:13; Phil 2:6.
    66 Cf. Rom 10:9; 1 Cor 12:3; Phil 2:9-11.
    67 Cf. Rev 11:15; Mk 12:17; Acts 5:29.
    68 GS 10 § 3; Cf. 45 § 2.
    69 1 Cor 16:22; Rev 22:20.

    And here is the passage referencing this critical piece of doctrine

    III. THE ONLY SON OF GOD

    441 In the Old Testament, "son of God" is a title given to the angels, the Chosen People, the children of Israel, and their kings.44 It signifies an adoptive sonship that establishes a relationship of particular intimacy between God and his creature. When the promised Messiah-King is called "son of God", it does not necessarily imply that he was more than human, according to the literal meaning of these texts. Those who called Jesus "son of God", as the Messiah of Israel, perhaps meant nothing more than this.45

    442 Such is not the case for Simon Peter when he confesses Jesus as "the Christ, the Son of the living God", for Jesus responds solemnly: "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven."46 Similarly Paul will write, regarding his conversion on the road to Damascus, "When he who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles. . ."47 "And in the synagogues immediately [Paul] proclaimed Jesus, saying, 'He is the Son of God.'"48 From the beginning this acknowledgment of Christ's divine sonship will be the center of the apostolic faith, first professed by Peter as the Church's foundation.49

    443 Peter could recognize the transcendent character of the Messiah's divine sonship because Jesus had clearly allowed it to be so understood. To his accusers' question before the Sanhedrin, "Are you the Son of God, then?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am."50 Well before this, Jesus referred to himself as "the Son" who knows the Father, as distinct from the "servants" God had earlier sent to his people; he is superior even to the angels.51 He distinguished his sonship from that of his disciples by never saying "our Father", except to command them: "You, then, pray like this: 'Our Father'", and he emphasized this distinction, saying "my Father and your Father".52

    444 The Gospels report that at two solemn moments, the Baptism and the Transfiguration of Christ, the voice of the Father designates Jesus his "beloved Son".53 Jesus calls himself the "only Son of God", and by this title affirms his eternal pre-existence.54 He asks for faith in "the name of the only Son of God".55 In the centurion's exclamation before the crucified Christ, "Truly this man was the Son of God",56 that Christian confession is already heard. Only in the Paschal mystery can the believer give the title "Son of God" its full meaning.

    445 After his Resurrection, Jesus' divine sonship becomes manifest in the power of his glorified humanity. He was "designated Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his Resurrection from the dead".57 The apostles can confess: "We have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."58


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