I'm not getting this airsoft thing

Vegeta

Ok don't flame me for being a n00b or anything but what the hell is involved in airsoft competitions.

I get what paintball is as I have done it myself a load of times. What the hell is the point of airsoft, can someone explain the rules to me or what the object of the game is as it might be fun to give it a lash

What is the difference between airsoft and paintball.

What projectiles do airsoft guns shoot?

Thanks in advance

Shigsy

Airsoft guns fire 6mm plastic balls called BB's. They can also fire 6mm paintballs. Im assuming the Airsoft skirmish's work exactly the same as paintball, firing the 6mm paintballs (so smaller than regular paintballs) except your using cool looking guns that look/feel like the real thing, as apposed to using crap paintball guns
Could someone confirm that the Airsoft skirmish's use the 6mm paintballs as apposed to the BB's? I dont see how u could decide who was hit otherwise, or how to regulate the game otherwise.

Vegeta

cheers shigsy, I am no new comer to firearms, I have 3 "real" guns but this just baffled me.

I thought it was a bunch of guys wearing camo shooting plastic BBs at eah other........pointless.

If its a better version of paintball then that's cool, i can dig it

Shigsy

lol well im hoping they use the 6mm paintballs when playing, cause the plastic bb's would just be stupid
I saw an Airsoft RPG launcher which confused the hell out of me. I was kinda hoping it fired some sort of exploding paint can, but it seems to fire a hard foam m203 style nade. I dont really get that, are u counted as dead if it lands within a certain range of you? Maybe some Airsoft goers could clear this up for us.
Anyway, im hopefully going to get myself a nice electric M4 with a scope soon

newby.204

From what ive been reading on it getting shot in airsoft works on an "honor" system i.e. when you are shot and you know it you bow out yourself instead of ignorin it and continuing on playing

B00MSTICK

Most airsoft sites don't use 6mm paintballs (they can jam/leak should be loaded every second one i.e bb/paint/bb/paint...etc)

Although rules can vary, when your killed (number of hits to be killed can vary) you usually say "Hit", stand up with your gun held above you and walk back to the safe zone or spawn. Yes you can cheat but hopefully you have a bit of honour or a marshall catches you and you get kicked out or whatever the consequence of cheating is.

So its like a military simulation with authentic weapons camo etc

Can you still dig it Veg?

Shigsy

I hate people in paintball that pretend they weren't hit, even with a paint splat on them. So i can only imagine this affects Airsoft even worse. If they use BB's, then surely the forest (or wherever they play) is covered in bright yellow and green plastic balls :rolleyes: What kind of % of Airsoft skirmish sites use paintballs then?
Im looking forward to trying it out, should be good. Anyone know of any Airsoft sites that are coming to the republic soon? Maybe paintball sites will start doing Airsoft days.

bniall

Airsoft is a military simulation sport. Many argue that paintball is better or worse than airsofting, my view is that airsofting is better and i will show you in facts listing below.

1. Airsofting gear can be and usually is expensive BUT they are cheaper to run as you dont need to buy big tanks of gas, all you do is charge up a long lasting battery
2. airsofting hurts less in the long term ie you dont have huge bruises to brag about BUT it hurts more in the short term ie once you've been hit you KNOW when youve been hit
3. once your hit you are not "OUT" you just go back to the respawn place and then go back in to the fight
4. airsofting is more realistic because almost every major gun in the world is represented
5. ammo is cheaper costing £5 for 3000 "good quality, excellant bbs"
6. 6mm "paintballs" cannot be used NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE SAY AS THEY DAMMAGE THE INTERNAL GUTS OF THE GUN
7. there are so many im getting bored now pm me or email me if you have any questions?

Shigsy

Nice post, just the kind of info we needed. Right, i want to try this
So where do you buy your guns from? I want an AEG, like an M4 or Steyr so where is the cheapest place?

newby.204

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054978008

go here for airsoft sites

Shigsy

Yeah, i've already been to alot of them. I just want to know where people who are alreayd big into Airsoft in Ireland (like the guys that travel to the north on the weekends to play it) normally buy their Airsoft guns from. Obviously these people have already gone through the process of searching and re-searching so they have found the best/cheapest sites for buy Airsoft guns and getting them shipped to the republic.
So, could all people who are already into Airsoft let us noobs know where is the best/cheapest sites to buy from?

Vegeta

oh man, honor system? really, it sounded so promising.

SpykerASI

hi there guys, my name is Spyker and i am the Super Moderator of www.airsoftireland.com

firstly i would like to clear up some questions!

lol well im hoping they use the 6mm paintballs when playing, cause the plastic bb's would just be stupid

Paintballs in airsoft guns is a real no no, even 6mm ones. The type of weapon is really not suited to the paintball ammo, hence why we use solid plastic ammo.

Now to you paintballers this may sound stupid but this is how our 2 sports differ. Due to the solid plastic ammo there is a certain amount of honesty required from our players. As well as this all our sites have excellent Marshals that monitor the flow of the game and to make sure that players are taking there hits.

What the hell is the point of airsoft

Essentially it is the realism that our airsoft players crave, the chance to use realistic looking weapons and tactics.

What projectiles do airsoft guns shoot?

6mm plastic balls, ranging in weight from the popular 0.2 and 0.25 gram going up to 0.3, 0.4 and beyond.
The heavier rounds are usually used in single shot weapons such as sniper rifles.

are u counted as dead if it lands within a certain range of you? Maybe some Airsoft goers could clear this up for us.

What usually happens is that the 2 or more different teams go out and begin the skirmish. Before hand the respawn rules are decided.
Some times for example, the attacking team have infinite lifes untill the last 10 mins of a game while all the players on the defending team have 3 lifes each.
Each time the defenders are hit they have to go back to a certain place to respawn and join in, after their lives are gone they are out of the game.
Each time the attackers are hit they have to also go back to a different point, they can do this as much as they want untill the last 10 mins of the game, after that its one shot one kill.
The marshalls are there to make sure every one takes their hits.

could all people who are already into Airsoft let us noobs know where is the best/cheapest sites to buy from?

most of us in the north order from websites as the limited shops do not provide a good range of products for fair prices.

try some of these sites in the uk for prices...
www.airsoftscotland.com
www.airsoftarmoury.com

but i personally buy my gear from the middle east! check these out....
www.wgcshop.com
www.redwolfairsoft.com

Ok guys, any more questions jus ask! we at ASI would love to see some of you come up and play.

i recommend that you join ASI as there are alot of very helpfull members who can help you out with anythin you need to no!

Spyker.

Shigsy

Great, that cleared up alot of questions. Can you clarify the RPG situation though that i mentioned above? Just curious how that works in a skirmish

SpykerASI

Shigsy wrote:

Great, that cleared up alot of questions. Can you clarify the RPG situation though that i mentioned above? Just curious how that works in a skirmish

RPG ok.

well as you no we have M203 launchers at our disposal. These are shells that hold BB's and gas. The user loads in the BB's at one end and charges it with gas in the other then pulls the trigger.

when you say RPG i presume you mean something thats propelled thru the air like a missle or similar? that sort of pryotechnics is not permitted, as far as i no you can not use pyrotechnics to propel shells with the intention of hitting someone.

BB's can either be fired from an AEG, a gas weapon, a spring weapon or a BB grenade or similar.

No RPGs

whupass

i saw that the shell was for looks it worked like a launcher attached to youre gun

bniall

Shigsy wrote:

Nice post, just the kind of info we needed. Right, i want to try this
So where do you buy your guns from? I want an AEG, like an M4 or Steyr so where is the cheapest place?

1. I buy mine from Redwolfairsoft.com and my accessories from firesupport.co.uk and im thinking about buying a sniper from airsoftarmouries.co.uk or wolfarmouries.co.uk

2. Well if you you want a cheap aeg i would buy from redwolf but bear in mind that you get hit with a hefty p&p and a huge customs bill (although thats for northern ireland im not too sure about eire as well airsofts new there) i buy from reddwolf if i buy bulk so it is cheaper. you haver to actually get your calculator out and add up the costs of the goods and the P&P and see about the customs then decide is it better to get from hongkong or from london with wolfarmouries.co.uk . once this is decided research your gun on forums and reviews etc a good review site i found once was http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/4300/reviews.html

3. TM actually stopped production on the military version of the Steyr Aug so it may prove difficult to find. A hint is to try the smaller, less known sites as they have ususally the rarer guns. Although the civilian version by TM (black and with no scope but a 20mm ris mount instead) is available and peforms just like the military. Classic army actually produce the military version now instead of TM which is more expensive but has a better fps of 295 opposed to 285fps for the TM. The aug has limited accessories but you can get the shadow modification which makes the barrel a huge silencer! and a grande launcher mount attachment set.

4. TM make a great starters M4A1, M4 RIS and M4-S guns although these are great they have plastic bodies and look quite cheape after a while although reseling is easier than the Aug. More expensive M4s are made by just about every single airsoft company afloat and most have metal bodies! and a better fps! An M4 has a huge potetial for adding mods and attchments, changing, upgrading and all soughts of stuff. Every single M4 made (save a few smaller comapanies) is kind of built around the TM body so finding accessories is very easy for any manufacturer. For the M4-S and M4 ris types they have a ris mount on the hand guard so attchment of a ris connecting grenade launcher is easy pie!
TM M4A1 is kind of cheap roughly the same as a TM Aug. Aim does an m4 which is cheaper but kind of unknown

it really depends what you what. the bog standard M4 that every other person owns but allows huge changing potential or the futurisic style of the Aug that barely anybody has.


PS M4A1 has no ris rails on the forward hand grip, The M4 RIS has ris rails for attaching stuff on the forward hand grip but both have one on top which the carry handle clips onto for scope mounts etc. But the best is the M4-S with front ris rails and one going along the top ridge which gives huge potential, strength and prevents barrel wobble. All m4s (TM at least) can converts to a premade metal body for attaching to make it sturdier

PPS barrel wobble affects weak guns with long barrels but low amounts of support, it is not a big deal but it does get annoying. it does not effect aim etc.

bniall

SpykerASI wrote:

RPG ok.

well as you no we have M203 launchers at our disposal. These are shells that hold BB's and gas. The user loads in the BB's at one end and charges it with gas in the other then pulls the trigger.

when you say RPG i presume you mean something thats propelled thru the air like a missle or similar? that sort of pryotechnics is not permitted, as far as i no you can not use pyrotechnics to propel shells with the intention of hitting someone.

BB's can either be fired from an AEG, a gas weapon, a spring weapon or a BB grenade or similar.

No RPGs

you know that russian made rpg that the irqis run about with? Well he must mean that. You take off the big dummy rocket and put in a normal shell like a moscart or madbull etc and fire it like the normal rpg although instead of a big thing firing at you it is more like 60-180 bbs! although you can get specific shells or ass-ons to put on the normal ones to enable the firing of likke foam or rubber rockets (no as big as the actual rpg rocket LOL)

smokey's make one http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=5 other sites sell them but are mostly in asian or german etc

bniall

Vegeta wrote:

oh man, honor system? really, it sounded so promising.

the honor system works best, a person knows if he shot you or not. If you do not take the kill you are given warnings and are taken out to respawn eventually they give you penalties. Also unlike paintballing once ur out ur not OUT you can come back in because of the lack of paint that shows that ur hit

so imagine this (it happens to me all the time while paintballing and airsofting (i mainly go airsofting))

painballing

game starts, running forward, hit, sent out to watch the game, go back to safe area, game ends 15mins later. Go back out [repeat] for the unseasoned paintballer it can be a huge waste of money.

Airsofting

game starts, run forward, hit, go back to respawn, go back to game immediately. Games can go on for 45mins to 2hrs even more if the teams are evenly matched

-Strawbs-

Only people who agree with the honour system and dont cheat should play, otherwise it just wreaks it for everyone else, plus if you continue you can be banned from sites

Harekin

One reason airsoft is considerably more interesting is the "F**k yeah"...sorry I ment to say automatic setting on most of the AEG's.

bniall

Harekin wrote:

One reason airsoft is considerably more interesting is the "F**k yeah"...sorry I ment to say automatic setting on most of the AEG's.

auto fire kicks ass. if you want the fastest firing Tokyo Marui aeg buy the
g36c range.

but i prefer sniping :eek: nothing like hiding, shooting then seeing them look all confused LOL

Vegeta

bniall wrote:

the honor system works best, a person knows if he shot you or not. If you do not take the kill you are given warnings and are taken out to respawn eventually they give you penalties. Also unlike paintballing once ur out ur not OUT you can come back in because of the lack of paint that shows that ur hit

so imagine this (it happens to me all the time while paintballing and airsofting (i mainly go airsofting))

painballing

game starts, running forward, hit, sent out to watch the game, go back to safe area, game ends 15mins later. Go back out [repeat] for the unseasoned paintballer it can be a huge waste of money.

Airsofting

game starts, run forward, hit, go back to respawn, go back to game immediately. Games can go on for 45mins to 2hrs even more if the teams are evenly matched

yeah but i don't trust others. people cheat in every sport. I'm sure airsoft is the same and it would really piss me off if i was bustin my hole, shoot this guy and he just continues on or worse shoots me

Harekin

Well you only need to hit them once to kill them...if they dont die you can inform a marshal, if they shoot at you...lol, go full auto on them! Im sure half a high-cap mag would show them who's "boss"!

Vegeta

Harekin wrote:

Well you only need to hit them once to kill them...if they dont die you can inform a marshal, if they shoot at you...lol, go full auto on them! Im sure half a high-cap mag would show them who's "boss"!

well that system is flawed. if i hit you (or worse don't hit you) and tell a marshal. Then you can just say "No you didn't" how can I or the marshal prove you wrong. Its your word against mine and in the heat of a game i really wouldn't want to have to argue with anyone, I'd rather shoot em.

Don't get me wrong I really like the idea of airsoft but I'd really want to trust the guys i was playing against

Harekin

If a person aint taking their hits the Marshall will fire a few test shots against them. If they dont take the Marshalls hits then the Marshall will remove them from the game and give them a warning.

NeMiSiS

Hah, that's a brilliant idea. I used to see paintball Marshalls do that, but not in ages and ages.. good idea though.. a cheater will tend to be consistant with their cheating. Sounds good, wouldn't mind giving it a shot .. scuze the pun. I play paintball alot, so the idea of longer games..appeals to me.. What's the deal with sites and rental of equipment etc ? Do you allways need to bring your own gun ?

TK

Harekin

Nope. At Predator for example they'll provide a gun, camo and a full face mask as far as I know.

benelli

Was at predator the weekend, had one of the best days out in a long time (at least while sober ). The marshalls and players are all very helpful to newbies and you can rent all the necessary equipment needed. Will definetly be going back again soon.

For anyone thinking of trying airsoft it is a great place to go to see if you like airsofting.