Nothing Exciting

shaydy

Nothing exciting here just interested in what line people would take here

[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Hand Start.
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Seat 1 : ianboz has $4,520
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Seat 2 : wiaf has $3,390
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Seat 3 : shaydy has $3,540
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Seat 4 : check147 has $2,730
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Seat 8 : FELTFACE has $1,490
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Seat 9 : socrate3 has $2,330
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : shaydy is the dealer.
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : check147 posted small blind.
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : FELTFACE posted big blind.
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Game [47] started with 6 players.
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Aug 17 20:19:46] : Seat 3 : shaydy has Jh Js
[Aug 17 20:19:53] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 6 min.
[Aug 17 20:19:56] : socrate3 called 300 and raised 300 WTF
[Aug 17 20:19:59] : ianboz called 600
[Aug 17 20:19:59] : wiaf folded.

Your move?

lolkelly

Push

shaydy

lolkelly wrote:

Push

Why push?

I have a min raise from first position in front of me which should be respected for a big hand and a caller, who has me covered, and doesn't find a min raise from first position scary enough to put him off calling, he likes his hand. If I push here I think more often than not im up against a bigger pair of AK so 50/50 at best. I don't need to have a race at this point of the tournament with my stack.

Shay

imalegend

shaydy i think its a good fold but on this forum its about maths...so expect a backlash of why did u fold and all that crap...

Gholimoli

i dont get his post at all .unless im missing something then your asking how to play JJ when there is a raise and a call in front of you?is that it or am i missing something in the hand history?

Bandana boy

I think push is poor here and fold is not a great option
Of course in these STT I find this is often a pp and often a small p
How did Viallains get there stacks to the size there at now is a question i would be asking myself
If i know villain will raise with Ax or any PP then i will raise to 1300 if i dont know villain well I would often call here and re-evaluate on flop while wishing really hard for a j on the flop

fuzzbox

Bandana boy wrote:

I think push is poor here and fold is not a great option
Of course in these STT I find this is often a pp and often a small p
How did Viallains get there stacks to the size there at now is a question i would be asking myself
If i know villain will raise with Ax or any PP then i will raise to 1300 if i dont know villain well I would often call here and re-evaluate on flop while wishing really hard for a j on the flop

theres an awful lot of chips in the middle, and not much in our stack for this sort of stuff.

If I have seen villain minraise utg before, then I shove.
If I have not, then I might even just pass.
If this is out of character then I just pass (i.e. if villain normally raises properly, but suddenly minraises utg ...)

shaydy

Gholimoli wrote:

i dont get his post at all .unless im missing something then your asking how to play JJ when there is a raise and a call in front of you?is that it or am i missing something in the hand history?

get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Gholi:p ? The reason for the post is simple, I found the hand a bit weird, (I don't often see people min raise from first position), and found myself confused as to what was the correct decision given the action in front of me and thus posted the question on the forum to see what others would have done. I did state in the title it was 'nothing exciting'

what would you have done here?

RoundTower

fuzzbox wrote:

theres an awful lot of chips in the middle, and not much in our stack for this sort of stuff.

If I have seen villain minraise utg before, then I shove.
If I have not, then I might even just pass.
If this is out of character then I just pass (i.e. if villain normally raises properly, but suddenly minraises utg ...)

I would do it the other way round: if I have never seen him do this I would push. If I have seen him do it before then I would push (unless he does it really rarely or has only shown down a big pair after it). If it is out of character I try to pass.

Gholimoli

shaydy wrote:

get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning Gholi:p ? The reason for the post is simple, I found the hand a bit weird, (I don't often see people min raise from first position), and found myself confused as to what was the correct decision given the action in front of me and thus posted the question on the forum to see what others would have done. I did state in the title it was 'nothing exciting'

what would you have done here?

I wasn’t being smart I was just wondering if I got the question because its an unusual one.
What to do there just depends really.
What do you know of the raiser?
What do you know of the caller?
You can reraise to isolate or you flat call and play poker post flop.min raise here is very player dependent. Villain could be min raising with QT ,KT,AT etc or he could do it with AA,KK.
I think folding is the worse possible choice you could make here as suggested by legend. you have a strong hand and you can often expect to be ahead here .
I think call and see what happens on the flop.you have position so calling is good option here.

Iago

What level is this at? anything less than $50 and I probably push as well.

I think a push takes at least one of your opponents off the pot, hopefully the chip leader who was only calling the minraise with a marginal hand/mid pp in order to stack the other guy on a favourable flop.

If I'm up against AA/KK/QQ and I just call, and the flop comes without an A or K and one or the other makes a pot-size bet then I've to commit my stack anyway.

If the caller has a mid pp then I'm scared of almost any flop that doesn't have a J in it. So I want to take at least one of them out of the hand before the flop comes down, only way to do that is to push and fire up another table while I'm watching the cards come down

So I push to isolate the initial raiser and hope that he thinks he's being smart with 88-TT

shaydy

Gholimoli wrote:

I wasn’t being smart I was just wondering if I got the question because its an unusual one.
What to do there just depends really.
What do you know of the raiser?
What do you know of the caller?
You can reraise to isolate or you flat call and play poker post flop.min raise here is very player dependent. Villain could be min raising with QT ,KT,AT etc or he could do it with AA,KK.
I think folding is the worse possible choice you could make here as suggested by legend. you have a strong hand and you can often expect to be ahead here .
I think call and see what happens on the flop.you have position so calling is good option here.

Ok group huge everyone:D

The raiser had been fairly quiet up to now and the caller was pretty loose up now.
I decided to call here but simply because a) I thought any raise would have to be a considerable chunk of my stack and b) I wasnt sure what to do lol:rolleyes: . Anyway the flop came down Qxx rainbow and it got checked around to me, I bet a little over half the pot and was surprised when both folded.

shaydy

Iago wrote:

What level is this at? anything less than $50 and I probably push as well.

Yeah its less than $50, im not sure which but it was an stt between $15 - $25

Iago wrote:

push and fire up another table while I'm watching the cards come down

Love it!

fuzzbox

When the pot has 1650 in it, and I have 3.5k in my stack, I really dont like calling off 600 preflop to go into a multi-way pot. I am also inviting players behind me to come along, as the pot is now offering very attractive odds for all sorts of hands.

If I shove preflop and take it down, then my stack will increase by 50%.
I really like a shove if you are going to play the hand. You dont really have odds to call and spike a set - so shove is my favourite option.

Rnger

In stt's ranging from $5-$25, I often treat a UTG min raise just the same as an UTG limp. Only if I have seen him limp with a premium hand do I change this preconception. This obv changes when it gets nearer the bubble. It just means im going to have to raise a bit more than usual. In this case I'm pushing because any other raise just commits me anyway.

Is this an almighty blunder on my part to assume such a thing?