boring ruling question?

Gholimoli

This happened last night in the SE.
Blinds at 1k/2K.
It was folded to me and I announced raise and then said “six fifty” .it was then folded to BB who said the raise should not stand because I cant raise to 650.even though I meant 6500 but because I said “six fifty “ BB claimed that the raise should be a minimum raise .
The table then called for a ruling and TD said seen as there are no 50’s in the game any more then my raise will stand.
What is the correct ruling?

Hitman Actual

Technically the BB has a valid case, I think. However, if the dealer acknowledged that the raise was to 6500, and you've put out 6500 in chips, then I think the ruling should go your way, as it's obvious you're not raising to 650 (ffs!!). That would be my common-sense ruling anyway.

ArmaniJeanss

Gholi, the ruling is strictly correct in my opinion (though the BB should be given a wedgie for being an idiot)

Ironically, if u'd said 'make it 6 and a half' no-one would have complained (i hope) as '6 and a half' is accepted shortspeak for 6500. If you'd said 65 you might have been OK as well as most people would accept 65 to mean 65 hundreds.

Rnger

its a rather bizarre way to announce a raise to 6.5k. saying 65 or 'six and a half' makes alot more sense than 650.

What ever happend to a friendly game? The bb i just trying to see a free flop. You were never raising to 650 with the blinds at 1k/2k !

Gholimoli

i did announce raise first before anythign else .then i counted up my chips to 6500 and then said "six fifty" and then put in 6500.

Hitman Actual

Gholimoli wrote:

i did announce raise first before anythign else .then i counted up my chips to 6500 and then said "six fifty" and then put in 6500.

It's bloody clear-cut so, and...

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

... the BB should be given a wedgie for being an idiot.

califano

Best thing to do i think is say "raise" then just put in the amount without verbally declaring how much the raise is. Its what i usually do. Same with re-raising.

Poker & Pints

He was reaching gholi. I knew what you meant...no issues with it...i mucked 44 when you did that. You said raise, were putting in chips and saying it at the same time....pretty clear. Now the ruling from TD was a bit dodgey I though, saying cuz no 50's on the table was why. Probably should have been better stated, as "Since player declared raise and proceed to put an amount into the pot which was clearly not 650 then the bet stands as is" Or something to that affect. He was trying to get in with a weak A BTW.

Doc Farrell

you should have announced raised and then said six fifty. then you would have been ok.

gholi why do you make me read this stuff. are you fooking with my mind?

Queens English man! bloody foreigners..... :mad:

Fatboydim

I would imagine that the TD saw six fifty as 6050. Sometimes if small denomination chips are still in play that would be a legit raise. Personally the BB being an ass and the only other ruling the TD could have made was to limit the raise to 6k. But then he'd be a pedantic wankpot as well. Correct decision was made.

califano

Fatboydim wrote:

http://www.paddypowerpoker.com/commu...ins-column.php
Let’s Get It On – Or Off.

Len,
That post is hilarious:D . I always forget to read this for some reason. Bookmark!!!

Fatboydim

rounders123 wrote:

Len,
That post is hilarious:D . I always forget to read this for some reason. Bookmark!!!

Thank you rounders... You'll be glad to know that Mrs Dim has insisted I keep my clothes on:D

Scotty #

Similar thing happened to me recently in Drogheda. I announced "all in - five seven five" I pushed $5075 in. Fold, fold, fold, call - from the SB. Then someone pointed out it was $5075 not $575 (blinds 300/600) Button called for a ruling and Mike ruled that my bet stood BUT....SB was not forced to call $5075 he did have to leave the $600 in though. We were both at fault here - me, for declaring a wrong amount (I did declare all in first though) and the SB because I had declared all in and the chips were in the middle, therefor any amount I declared was irrelevant.

I think in your situation Gholi. If you placed the chips in and declared a different amount....its the higher bet that stands (AFAIK) so the ruling is fine.

Or I could be completly wrong.

mdwexford

ghoil said he said 650 and then put in 6500, if he said the amount before the chips went in technically it should be a min raise.

bb is being an ass though

ocallagh

Fatboydim wrote:

Thank you rounders... You'll be glad to know that Mrs Dim has insisted I keep my clothes on:D

great column len, i had a read of them all.. i loved this paragraph:


"Guess I’ll just have to watch the telly for the next two weeks. What’s on?
“Love Island”.
Maybe Keith could play Sophie heads up.
There’s always “ Fair City” or “Eastenders.” God I’m depressed.

I know… I could get the dogs to sit round the table and make it look like they’re playing poker… Take a picture of them and I could make a fortune. All I need is some very strong tape to strap them to the chairs. Some superglue to get the cards to stick to their paws. Some sunglasses a baseball cap and a hoody and we’re away. Is it cruel to make Spaniel’s smoke cigars? On second thoughts the sheepdog looks more like a smoker. Maybe I could dress the cat up to look like a cocktail waitress. The Guinea Pig looks a little like Phil Helmuth. Well he does if you close your eyes and squint a lot. It helps if you’ve been drinking too."

Mellor

Seeing as the blinds were 1k/2k. It should of been obvious as to what he meant.
There are lots of ways to translate six fifty to chips. BB was being a chancer.
Surprised he didnt insist on €6.50 being put in.

Bandana boy

I was playing once and even though the blinds where 5-10 the Loch ness monster called a raise tree fitty and the call was a considered a min raise

TheDuck32

Bandana boy wrote:

I was playing once and even though the blinds where 5-10 the Loch ness monster called a raise tree fitty and the call was a considered a min raise

I assume he punched the jackass that made that ruling.

ianmc38

Gholi I was at the table. I knew exactly what you meant. The BB was being a muppet trying to see a cheap flop. At the same time, I thought the ruling was incorrect and that it should have been a minraise, as technically you had announced an underraise.

Bp!

Playin in a tournament last night. Blinds and chips stacks not relevant.

There was a raise in MP, button calls, SB calls and BB calls.

Flop A xx

SB checks, BB bets, MP Folds, Button calls, SB folds

The BB thought everyone folded and turned over KK (i know:rolleyes: ) , the Button states he is still in the hand and for some reason hows his hand A9

Ruling?

Rnger

as far as i know, the player with A9 could just raise him out of it. This happend in a home game and we treated both players as all-in and dealt the hand to the river. I cant see that happening in a casino however. Why did A9 show?

Bp!

Not really sure why he showed, just in the confusion of the moment I reckon.

The fact the A 9 was turned over confused me as I had to make the ruling, I decided to play it out with no more bettin but really felt unsure about it. I was just glad a K didnt pop up on river.

Is there a case for the KK hand now being dead? Could the A9 hand be allowed bet out...

connie147

With the blinds at 1,000-2,000, how were there 100 denomination chips still in play? They should have been taken off after the 800--1,500 blind level(AFAIK).unless there is antes in play. I think Goli's raise is pretty obvious so the common sense rule should used and his bet allowed to stand.

TheDuck32

Both players held to check. deal turn and river and hope a king comes

Bp!

TheDuck32 wrote:

... and hope a king comes

Nah not after how he played it!

Thx all the same

mdwexford

in a local casino i know where they serve alcohol they were playing 1/2, a fairly intoxicated guy who had about 350 quid in front of him says "12 thousand" and proceeds to put in 12 euros. the dealer decides to enforce the rules to the maximum and informs the guy hes all in and makes him put in all his chips. the guy sitting right beside him calls in a flash and turns over pocket queens, the original drunk turns over 94o and thats the end of him, saying he was not too happy would be an understatement, absolutely hilarious