Folding an overpair

The Sheriff 101

This hand happened a few weeks ago i meant to write it up but forgot
A similar situation came up earlier today.

Micro limits .25 .50 6 handed no-limit holdem.

Firstly a bit of background to the hand it is my second hand at the table the first hand
I got JJ and bet them very strong 8*bb (I normally play 1-2 limit and expected the players to be looser) all folded 1 too a very long time
Maybe the reason I am asking this question is the reason I have had to move down to this level.................

Anyway I get Ah As I raise to 6*bb 1 caller
Flop Js Jh 10s $7 bet 2 me (pot size) I consider and push i push for 23 (he has 28 total)

Was raising the right option Im not sure
I put him on KQ K10 Q10 A10 910 (ok I hope) or any of the above with a J or possibly QQ reason for push would he bet pot with a J I don’t want him hitting any of his draws cheaply if he has a 10 maybe I will get paid off
Or was it just me being stubborn not wanting to lay down my aces

Analysis Appreciated

Marq

Was raising the right option?

If you flat call on the flop, and he goes all in on the turn, will you fold? (The pot will be offering you almost 3:1 in that situation).

IMO unless you have a good read on how this player plays (and you shouldn't, as you've only been at the table for one hand), then you must raise the flop. Unfortunately for you, you don't have enough money behind to do anything but push.

If you had $50 on the table, you may not have to commit to this hand on the flop, as you have here. I realise that your opponent doesn't have a full buy-in either.

In my limited experience at this level, most players don't lead into a PF raiser when they flop trips. But that's limited experience, and there's no real pattern to how these idiots play anyway.
Your opponent will turn over KQs, AT, KK, QQ, 22, 89, 77 etc at least as many times as he turns over a hand that beats yours, and probably more, so I think the raise is definitely correct.

I imagine that you wouldn't have posted this unless he had a jack. Comfort yourself by thinking a) 99% of the players at this level go broke here without a read and b) it's only 31 dollars.

fuzzbox

Marq: why do you say .... you *must* raise this flop?

Marq

I want all of my opponents chips in the middle now, and not when I quite clearly hit aces full on the turn.

The Sheriff 101

That was my thinking mostly after............
As it turns out he had AK and i won
as u correctly pointed out i didnt have any read on him but guessed:o would be the appropriate word that he would not bet into me if he had a J i also have very limited experience at this level but i have now moved down as i was loosing at higher levels no point playing em when im loosing

but i wasnt sure if raising was the correct option taking into consideration that we both had so little i feel i only had 2 options pump it or dump it

also the fact that i had played the hand before so aggressively would lead him to bet into me as if he waited i would more than likely make a continuation bet.(in his mind again guess work)

fuzzbox

Sherrif - I like a call in general

However against this opponent - raising seems fine - cos he is a moron who calls his stack off with a gutshot + overs on a high paired board.

The Sheriff 101

fuzzbox wrote:

Sherrif - I like a call in general

However against this opponent - raising seems fine - cos he is a moron who calls his stack off with a gutshot + overs on a high paired board.

Thanks but what do i do when i call and he bets turn weakness???? or eliminating my draws???

or if draw hits is he representing???(spade 9 an Ace eliminates his Str8 draw
and i had not read on him second hand)

if i call he checks do i bet it trying to get him off draws i more than likely think i dont bet here if he checks but after all i dont have that much left if i flatcall

i suppose if i flat call he (not him in particular but most) believe its strenght and if he bets i fold.????

fuzzbox

Grit your teeth and call him down no matter what hits.

The Sheriff 101

I have posted this elsewhere and someone suggested that i raise 7 (10-12 i feel is a better than min raise) more would give me more info (this is provided i have a much bigger stack)

as he said the only hand that can call me has me beat (thank god i can afford to misplay hands on microlimits and get away with it):)

RoundTower

I would just shove, probably you will get called by any T or any draw and some pocket pairs.

Marq

If you decide to call the flop, you should do so with the intention of calling any bet on the turn 99% of the time. th only reason not to raise is that you are afraid he will fold a hand that would continue to put money in the pot if you simply call.

raise if you think he will call now with a weak hand but not invest more on a scary turn or river.