BJJ/Sub Wrestling/MMA Intervarsites

Budo.Judo.Kev

Hi,

I've been thinking recently that an Irish BJJ/Sub Wrestling/ MMA intervarsities would be really cool and a good way to see the sports promoted in Ireland.

By this I mean a competition for Univeristy and other 3rd Level Students in the sports of Brazilian Jiujitsu, Submission Wrestling and Mixed Martial Arts.

I am myself in Trinity, however, I don't think we would be a good place to hold the competition because we don't have good facilites for a university, we've crappy mats and we don't have an official BJJ or MMA club or VERY experienced people within these sports. However, if push comes to shove we would be able to do it, I'd need to check this with Conor though .

What I want to know is, what would be the level of interest. How many people could UL/UCD/NUIG and the other unis and colleges put forward? 3-5? 10? 1 or 2?

I'm rather new to the whole BJJ/SW/MMA buzz and to be honest don't really know how exactly to run a competition. Like if we didn't have a lot of entires, for the BJJ or SW would it be best to run it in the form of teams like the event in Dave Jone's place recently? Team events in Judo often consist of a club submitting their 5 best players, of any weight, grade etc. and they compete against the 5 best players from another club.

I'd presume the BJJ or SW would run rather similarly to a Judo competiton, certainly if Trinity Host it a lot simpler. The mma way however would probably be a different kettle of fish and would probably follow MMA league rules and would probably in the form of bouts rather than a tourmanet.

Some of the issues that need to be addressed sooner rather than later would be time, (Spring 2007 sounds good to me), venue (TCD/UCD/NUIG/UL any volunteers) and interest.

Issues that could be consolidated later would be weigh ins, rules, referees, tournament type.

Any feedback here would be excellent, I'd love to see something like this happen this year.

In terms of numbers I think sub wrestling, might be the best bet. I just don't see the demand for MMA. Not sure everyone would have gis for bjj. I think if emails were sent to some of the university judo clubs and the rules explained you could probably get a few entries. We'd need adcc rules for sub wrestling, as without points it could end up being a very long day...........

Do remember that this "Conor" character won't be around very much in Spring 2007.

Colm_OReilly

I'm sure UCD would be happy to layeth the smack down on any other university that steps up to the challenge.

Miles Long

I'm pretty sure DCU has a massive Judo club, one sec... yep DCU JUDO. You can mail em at judo@redbrick.dcu.ie the might be interested? Is this what you're getting at in the other thread? Our club would probably not go in for the SW. It'd be me and Dan (instructor), he might do well, I'd... Wait a sec, KO MA could bail in on the DCU team... Anyway, If you wanna get this thing going I'd be happy to help you find the right people that we've dealt with in the past. It's a great idea to have an intervarsities, Kudos!

I wonder if their would be any bureaucratic nonsense if multiple clubs from the same college enter .......

Tim_Murphy

We were kinda of thinking of something like this last year but it never happened. I reckon it would be possible to get enough enough support to make this viable. I like the idea of different formats, BJJ ,SW, MMA, the numbers probably won't be huge so it would be well possible I'd say. I'll be gone out of UL so it doesn't really concern me but I'd say there would def be support from UL if it happens.

I'm sure UCD would be happy to layeth the smack down on any other university that steps up to the challenge.

Bring it on! I'll be coaching my guys via video conferencing! :cool:

mark.leonard

Colm wrote:

I'm sure UCD would be happy to layeth the smack down on any other university that steps up to the challenge.

Here we go again, remember that fateful "Cannon Fodder Galway" quip you made before a KOTM years back, right before we whipped you?

Clive

Can't see this really coming off, but if it does, I'd be more than happy to lend a hand!

Roper

We are sooooooo close to DCU so as to be practically DCU students, also, I am technically a student of DCU (distance learning rocks!!)

Pingu

Intervarsity wise whom would the Galway entries be through as, as far as i am aware the BJJ club isn't recognised by the college?:(

Clive

As someone who has organised intravarsities before (kickboxing), one of the most important rules is that people have to show a valid student card for the college they're representing.

Otherwise you just get a shed load of ringers.

Roper

I have a student card!!!! Really man really!

Colm_OReilly

mark.leonard wrote:

Here we go again, remember that fateful "Cannon Fodder Galway" quip you made before a KOTM years back, right before we whipped you?

Through that quip alone I made Galway what it was today - and I never even got a thank you, like!

I'd be in favour of the SW format - no one like Gi, natural hooks all the way.

Colm "Still bitter at Galway" O'Reilly

Miles Long

K, gauntlet throwing aside. Here's an Idea. Why not have an Invitational first, like the BJJ/MMA that we organise on here. Get some clubs along from other colleges and clubs and then you can get a feel for the buy in that would be around. One can't really do a half assed job on an Intervarsity (no trophies and mish mash rules I've been there for good and bad) other-wise it'll be, "I was at that last year and it was pants!".

It'd be cool to head over to *insert college here* for a scaldy sunday morning roll! It'd make it an iterative process and then by the end of Sem 2 have a "real deal" Sub wrestling and/or BJJ competition.

Pingu

Pingu wrote:

Intervarsity wise whom would the Galway entries be through as, as far as i am aware the BJJ club isn't recognised by the college?:(

I think this will be a problem for a lot of colleges. Very few specifically have submission wrestling/bjj.

Like that idea of the invitational. Might also be a good chance to bring people together to have a face to face discussion about this. Not sure how willing people would be to travel.

Miles Long

Weird Naked Indian Guy wrote:

If you book them they will come

Travelling won't be that much of a problem if what they are coming over for is to promote thier sport. Look at me talking like it's already decided that it'll be in Dublin, .

There are many ways to skin a cat. If the interest is there then it will happen...

mark.leonard

Pingu wrote:

Intervarsity wise whom would the Galway entries be through as, as far as i am aware the BJJ club isn't recognised by the college?:(

They had trouble recognising us at first, but once we told them where we were from and who our parents were they were able to place us.:) The Galway entries would be from NUI, G BJJ club, which as of the first week of September is a completely separate entity from Point Blank Submissions.

Do you train with us Pingu?

Budo.Judo.Kev

Well, It wouldn't be important what the status of the club is within the college as long as the entrant is a valid student in the university and as clive says has a valid current card in their possession.

Like if there are ppl training in SBG who go to Trinity/Maynooth/DIT they'd be fully allowed to join in.

it wasn't my intention for tis to be a mish mash or a training session, I wanted a proper competition. What I meant by simplicity is I didn't want to have to right a constitution or go to great lengths to organise it other than say:

Venue
Time
Format

ok, the current buzz seems to be a Submission Wrestling rules event. This is fine with me.

Can UCD, NUIG, Trinity and DCU form a 5 man team? In Judo (ok this isn't a judo tournament but like, that's all I know) you would select an order for these to fight in and submit it to the tournament director (any order you want) but once it's in, you can't change the order. You can have a sub so if someone gets injured you can do a straight swap.

So UCD would fight NUIG and ther would be 5 match ups. Things like size etc. could be random. (* see subnote1). So if you UCD win 3 or more of the 5 fights they progress to the next round and NUIG go into the 3rd place play off. And so one.

Subnote 1 : we could do it in order of weight, so lightest to heaviest, or heaviest to lightest. Like no 65kg guy wants to be slamed by 100kg guy or get stuck in his guard. However, having a U66, U73 U 81 (or whateveR) weight groups probably would be too restrictive.

rules I suppose would be ADCC rules, I'm not completely sure how they work but I'll learn .

So Clive will be referee number 1
Perhaps Colm/Judomick/John Kavanagh would also be refs if they weren't busy.

I'll have to find out how insurance works for stuff like this. Would i have to pay a lot for it? Or just give a big enter at your own risk sign?

So I presume I can get the hall in Trinity booked for a saturday afternoon for free.

Any feedback on the above?

Miles Long

Just one thing, apply to have the college pay for everything. Put in the application for everything down to bottles of water for the teams and the bargain money the little things while still getting money for the insurance and the prizes. There is a system for these things in all colleges, if it's there it can be played by talking to the right people!

Pingu

mark.leonard wrote:

Do you train with us Pingu?

No, went down once but feckin Patsy wouldn't let us in. I'm in the Judo club. Might drop in tonight actually...


Also with the the comp, as well as the Team event would there be an open and weights?

Roper

I think its a great idea, but I'd be surprised if you could get enough teams. Galway, UCD and Limerick does not an intervarsities make. From what Maeve was saying on another thread it seems DCU BJJ might not even exist this year. That would mean that, my own "I have a student card" quip aside, there are no sub wrasslin groups in DCU.

It'd be cool and all, and I'd like to go see, but it'd be quite small I think.

Miles Long

Pessimist^^^! Don't listen to him guys , This could be the greatest event in anything ever. Like Kev said, if they are student and they hance have student cards they could just be the College team not the college Club team. i.e. anyone intrested from Maeve's group, despite not haveing a club, would still have the ability to compete. What about UCC Judo (judo@castor.ucc.ie is the contact on fighting Ire)? Belfast? There are a bazillion IT's, surely one or all of them could have a team together if required and desired?

It wouldn't have to be huge or anything, just a start. 4 teams (maybe NUIG, UCD, UL, TCD?) would be enough for a team knockout competition. 3 man/people teams and you might get 8 teams, if "A" and "B" teams were allowed to enter from the same college. If you had mens under and over 80.7kg, and a womens division, it would be small but large enough for it to take place.

Budo.Judo.Kev

Yeah I'm with you on this Conor. Make sure it's organised for a weekend you're here too .

Ok it might be a crappy intervarsities but it will be an intervarsities.

Clive

Guys I have to say I realy don't think a team competition is the way to go. Most college grappling clubs are judo clubs, and let's be honest, they're not too likely to enter a team, let alone two.

You might however get one or two judo guys, or guys who train in other clubs that want to represent their college, but only having a team competition will leave all these guys out in the cold. Also, who gets to pick the team? If college X has a club that want to send in a team, but there's a guy outside the club wants in, he's unlikely to get a spot.

I think an individual competition with points for placings (taking into account the no of entrants from a particular college) is a better idea for a first year. If it takes off, then in future years a direct team vs team competition could be added on.

FiannaGym.com

Count DBS in. All be it exclusively me, and aporaching alumini status fast. So hurry up.



Peace

Miles Long

This is now leaning towards, "Let's find people in club with student cards too" That's a great plan, a cool way to set up for an ongoing thing. Mind you I'm not going to be in college next year (*crosses fingers*) The word must be spread fast! :mad:

Budo.Judo.Kev

Ok. Clive raises a valid point.

How do people feel about a knockout Open Weight category? Like, anyone can enter as long as they've got a student card and the it's pure knockout (possibly with reperchage so everyone get's at least 2 fights).

That would be really cool.

Roper

I like that one Kev, as I have a student card! Go team DCU!!!

Budo.Judo.Kev

Well we could have team event and an individual open for the ronin